马斯克发布与乔·罗根对话精华剪辑

0:00Thank you so much for buying Twitter.

0:02You're welcome.

0:03Thank you so much.

0:04I'm not exaggerating when I think you changed the course of history.

0:07I really do.

0:08I really think you made a fork in the road.

0:12We were headed down a path of censorship and of control of narratives that is unprecedented.

0:20Forget about what they were able to do back when they had newspapers and the media under control.

0:25What they were doing with social media by suppressing information.

0:29and when you had a combined government effort,

0:31like what they were doing with the laptop story.

0:34We have 51 former intelligence agents saying

0:37this is Russian disinformation, take it offline.

0:41And Twitter complied.

0:42If you didn't buy that, we wouldn't have known that.

0:44We had no idea.

0:46Exactly.

0:47The reason I bought it was because I'm in a pretty attuned

0:49since I was like the most interacted with a user

0:52on Twitter before the acquisition.

0:54So before the acquisition, I had more interactions

0:56then there's some accounts like Obama and whatever had higher follow accounts, but I had the most

1:01number of interactions of any account in the system. So I was very attuned to if they saw

1:06change, if they change the system, I can tell immediately. And I'm like, I'm like, something weird is

1:11going on here. You know, I just got increasingly uneasy. And obviously, when they deplatformed

1:16to setting president, you know, not deplatform Trump, that was just insane, you know, and the

1:21things he was posting, like he was posting things that he was posting good things, he was saying,

1:26like, hey, do not riot, don't do any destruction or property, you know, please stay calm.

1:33That's the kind of stuff you're supposed to.

1:34Yeah.

1:35And you're like, what's wrong with that?

1:37That's, and then some people said, oh, that's like some sort of dog whistling.

1:40He means the opposite.

1:41I'm like, okay, so we'll give you Trump's account.

1:43Now you post what you think you should post because you can post nothing.

1:47You can ask people to calm down.

1:48Like what?

1:49It was insane.

1:50Like it didn't make any sense.

1:51Well, it's completely illogical.

1:53and you say it's dog whistling to tell his followers

1:56to not be violent.

1:57That's crazy.

1:58That's crazy. That's crazy.

2:00Don't you think they will listen to him?

2:01Yeah.

2:02Isn't that the whole point they listened to him

2:03and created violence in the first place?

2:05That's what you think.

2:06That's what you're accusing him of.

2:08Right.

2:09And then there's the fact that we know that there was agents

2:12in the crowd that were ancient provocateurs

2:14that were encouraging people to do illegal.

2:16Yes.

2:17We know that for a fact.

2:18This is not that there was always the big Alex Jones type

2:22Tin foil hat conspiracy theory,

2:24because Alex proposed that back at the World Trade Organization

2:27protests, I believe we're in Seattle in the 90s.

2:31And they sent in, Agent Profocatur started smashing things,

2:34lighting things on fire.

2:36Now all of a sudden, a peaceful protest is no longer peaceful.

2:39They move in the cops.

2:40They shut everything down.

2:41They had it set up where it was a no protest zone,

2:44where you couldn't even have a pin that had the WTO with a red line

2:47through it.

2:48They wouldn't let you go in through to go to work.

2:50So you couldn't prote, you couldn't exercise

2:52your first amendment right.

2:54You couldn't even have a peaceful protest,

2:56a fucking sticker on your car.

2:57You couldn't have that.

2:58It's crazy.

3:00It is crazy.

3:00I think we're very much in a folk in the road in Destiny.

3:04And I mean, the reason I,

3:05you know, the Twitter acquisition was like,

3:07if I don't do this, I think we're screwed.

3:09Is the issue.

3:10Well, if you didn't do it,

3:11no one else was gonna do it

3:12because it wasn't a financial winner.

3:14But it's kind of a crazy move.

3:16It's a crazy move.

3:16I mean, the thing was way overpriced.

3:19And long term, I think we ultimately

3:22make it a win for investors.

3:23But boy, this is a hard way to make a living.

3:25Well, there's also a concerted effort to suppress it.

3:28There's a concerted effort to the advertisers.

3:30Well, we had a, I still have a massive advertiser boycott

3:34that was organized by a bunch of left-wing NGOs.

3:37And I should have brought my,

3:40I have a hat, make oil well fiction again.

3:43I've seen that hat.

3:44Yeah, I should have brought,

3:45I was gonna wear my,

3:46I should have brought my make oil fiction again.

3:48but yeah, I mean, it's just totally, totally nuts.

3:52If you didn't do it, no one would have.

3:54And here's the hilarious narrative

3:55that I keep hearing from idiots.

3:57Elon's a bad businessman.

3:59Twitter is worth 400% less than when he bought it.

4:03No, it wasn't worth that in the first place.

4:05It wasn't worth that in the first place.

4:05It wasn't worth $44 billion wrong.

4:09And also, you're not taking into account

4:10the advertiser boycott.

4:12Exactly. That's total.

4:13Yeah, exactly.

4:14So there are these organizations,

4:16like you can tell this,

4:17They're like, when they have an Orwellian name.

4:20So like the Center for Countering Digital Hate

4:23is a total scam organization,

4:25because they're like the Ministry of Truth

4:27type of thing in Orwell.

4:29They're a censorship organization

4:32and they pushed the advertisers to boycott.

4:34So we still have, some of the boycott is starting to lift

4:39and I think if Trump wins, we'll see probably

4:43most of the boycott lift,

4:44But if Kamala wins, we'll see that boycott gets stronger.

4:47And they'll freaking shut down.

4:49There's no way that the sort of Kamala public regime

4:52would allow X to exist.

4:53You really think that they'll be able to shut it down though?

4:55Is there a pathway to that?

4:57Yes.

4:58What would they do?

4:59Well, I mean, they can just stick the DOJ on, you know,

5:03and say, they've had this whole thing about hate speech,

5:05misinformation, whatever, except the other one

5:07is pushing the misinformation.

5:08That doesn't stop them from filing massive lawsuits

5:11and using the DOJ.

5:13I mean, the DOJ is attacking SpaceX, for example, for not hiring asylum seekers, even though

5:19it is legal for SpaceX to hire anyone who is not a permanent resident of the US.

5:24So we're down if we do and down if we don't.

5:27Just an example of what DOJ can do.

5:29So it's illegal to hire someone who's not an American citizen.

5:33SpaceX is considered an advanced weapons technology.

5:37So it's covered by international traffic and arms regulations because we make rocket

5:41technology that can be used against the United States.

5:43Skiv North Korea or Iran got SpaceX rocket technology.

5:46They could use that to launch Nuke set America.

5:48Right.

5:49That would be bad.

5:50Yeah.

5:50That'd be really bad.

5:51That'd be really bad.

5:52So since we are in the most extreme category of weapons

5:56technology at SpaceX, under US-ITAR law,

5:59it is illegal for us to hire anyone who's not

6:01a permanent resident.

6:02Because the presumption is that if they're not a permanent

6:04resident, they're going to return to their home country

6:08and take the rocket technology with them.

6:10So it's illegal for us to hire anyone who's not a part of it.

6:15They can have a green card or be a citizen.

6:17They just have to be a permanent resident of the United States.

6:20Then there's another law that says,

6:22if you discriminate against asylum seekers,

6:24that's also, you're also breaking the law.

6:27So the DOJ can only do a small number of big lawsuits

6:31every year, launched a giant lawsuit against SpaceX,

6:34saying that SpaceX discriminated against asylum seekers.

6:37And we're like, bet it's illegal for us

6:39to hire anyone who's not a permanent resident.

6:41So we're in this one of the,

6:43oh, well, the, oh, well situation is getting insane.

6:46You're damned if you do and you're damned if you don't.

6:49So you're damned.

6:50Can you imagine history looking back at when you watch

6:54the robot arms catch the rocket and you realize

6:57this is like one of the greatest accomplishments

7:00in the history of aerospace.

7:02Like it is one of the most wildest accomplishments.

7:05When you watch that thing come and you see all this people

7:07Cheering and it catches it perfectly like holy

7:11Imagine how history is gonna look back at the DOJ going after that company. Yeah, how insane it is big lawsuit with an army of lawyers

7:20This was not like some minor thing, but doesn't even make any sense

7:23How could it even get brought to court if it's illegal? That's exactly so that's what I mean like basically if the government wants to go after you

7:30They'll just find a reason you know

7:32just like that famous quote from Baria.

7:34They had a Stalin's secret police

7:36and he's like, you've tortured a truly evil human being.

7:39Like this guy, Baria, one of his famous quotes was,

7:42show me the man and I'll show you the crime.

7:44They decide that you're the target

7:46and then they figure out the crime afterwards.

7:49That's the issue.

7:50They decided SpaceX was the target.

7:52They just figured out the crime afterwards.

7:54Which is so crazy because that's exactly

7:55what they're saying Trump is going to do

7:58if he gets into office.

7:59They're doing all the things that they accuse Trump of doing.

8:02Yeah, openly.

8:03Openly.

8:04Yeah.

8:04I mean, the sheer number of hoaxes

8:07that the Democratic Party is pushing over and over again.

8:10And they, and look, I understand like politicians

8:13are gonna exaggerate, they're gonna misspeak,

8:17and they'll tell occasional, you know, untruths, whatever.

8:21That's how it is in politics.

8:22But when you have deliberate, concerted,

8:25repeated pushing of hoaxes, you're like,

8:28wait a second, come on, man, this is too far.

8:31And you're supposed to be the good guys.

8:32You're supposed to,

8:33and you claim to be the good guys?

8:34I'm like, exactly.

8:35You're supposed to be the progressives.

8:37Yes, the Dems are like,

8:38oh, we're the good guys, we're the honest people.

8:40No, no, hang on, you can't claim to be the good guys.

8:42You can't claim to be the honest people.

8:43If you're deliberately pushing hoaxes

8:46that have been debunked thoroughly.

8:48Yeah, well, not just like even snopes,

8:51which is a liberal thing says as bogus.

8:53Yeah.

8:54Like the fine people hoax.

8:55Obama just said that on stage.

8:57Obama just said that, I was like, what the flunk?

8:59He doesn't give a, he doesn't give a, they're just, they're just

9:02flat out law flat out law.

9:05I love the other one where Kamala's campaign used what Trump was

9:08saying about protecting women and from illegal immigrants.

9:11Thank you.

9:11Remember that?

9:12Yeah.

9:13What he was saying is the women like it or not, I'm going to do it.

9:16Yeah.

9:17When he was saying that they were trying to say that he was

9:19taking away women's right to choose whether women like it or not.

9:23That's not what he was saying.

9:24Absolutely.

9:24He was literally talking about protecting them from dangerous

9:27people that are sneaking in through the border.

9:29Yes, exactly.

9:30They'll take like, not even a full sentence,

9:32like a half a sentence from the border.

9:34And then they'll push it on every ad,

9:37every speaking event, every media.

9:39And it gets repeated on the news.

9:41This is what's crazy.

9:42They'll talk about it on these new shows.

9:45It's quote, new shows.

9:46Yeah, exactly.

9:47I mean, a recent one that came up,

9:49a lot of people reached out to me,

9:50was like, oh, Trump says he wants to execute Liz Cheney.

9:54I'm like, that is utter.

9:56What's not what he said at all?

9:57It's not what he said at all.

9:58What he's saying is that, look,

10:00if Liz Cheney actually had to fight at the front lines,

10:03should think twice about going to war.

10:06Exactly.

10:06It's easy to go to war.

10:08It's easy to be a warmonger.

10:09If you don't have to risk dying at the front lines.

10:12If other, it basically gets fucked up.

10:14If people are having fancy dinners in Washington, DC,

10:18while people are being slaughtered and trenches,

10:21it's like you're not feeling the pain.

10:23Exactly.

10:24You're not taking the risk, it's someone else dying.

10:25Exactly.

10:26That's cruel and lacking in empathy.

10:29And all Trump was saying was that Liz Cheney

10:31would be much less of a warmonger

10:33because she's a huge warmonger,

10:34slightly her dad, if she actually had to go

10:37to the front lines and fight herself.

10:39And meanwhile, they're saying that he's saying

10:41she should be shot.

10:42Yes, which is a total lie.

10:44And I had tons of people calling me this weekend saying,

10:46oh, Trump says he's gonna put Liz Cheney

10:49in a firing squad.

10:50Like, that is an outrageous lie.

10:53And the legacy media ran with that lie, big time.

10:55Yeah, it's crazy.

10:56It's just wild to see.

10:58And if it wasn't for Twitter,

10:59I don't think we would know about all this stuff.

11:02I think it would be very difficult for you.

11:04I think YouTube throttled.

11:06They did something weird.

11:07They won't say what they did,

11:08but they did something weird

11:09with the Trump interview that I did.

11:10Well, you couldn't find it.

11:11It doesn't make sense.

11:12It made no sense.

11:13I mean, it was like the biggest interview on Earth.

11:16Yeah.

11:17And you can't find it.

11:18Yeah.

11:19Not only that, it was like trending.

11:19Bull.

11:20It wasn't trending.

11:21It wasn't trending.

11:23Wasn't trending.

11:24Like there's just no excuse for that, man.

11:25No excuse.

11:26There's no excuse.

11:27It was getting a million views, what was it?

11:291.4 an hour at one point, Tom?

11:311.5 an hour.

11:33Yeah.

11:34And it wasn't trending.

11:34Yeah.

11:35And it's like your channel is a known channel.

11:38It's not like it was started yesterday.

11:40It's like, this is a high trust, yours is a high trust channel.

11:44It's like you're not trying to sell

11:46your scam crypto coins.

11:47So.

11:48Well, thank God, we put it on X as well.

11:50Yeah, yeah.

11:50Because I think just with your account and my account alone,

11:52It's 70 million views.

11:54Well, it's like you can't hide things anymore because of you.

11:57And if it wasn't for you, I think they would have had

11:59total control of social media by now.

12:01They would have thrown the ban so many accounts

12:03during the pandemic, so many dissenting scientists

12:07and doctors and physicians.

12:09They banned so many conspiracy theorists,

12:11so many people that colored outside the lines.

12:13They would have done that everywhere.

12:15And it probably would have, I think even at what's going

12:18on at Facebook, they're being more lenient.

12:21You know, here Zuckerberg talking about taking a more libertarian stance.

12:25That's entirely reaction to the way Twitter has kind of moved the watermark.

12:30Exactly.

12:31As soon as any company steps out of line and is willing to actually have the truth

12:35of debated on their platform, it forces the other platforms to allow things to be

12:39more truthful to not censor because their censorship becomes glaringly obvious.

12:45Yes.

12:46Yes.

12:46And you know, the best thing I found for as a rebuttal, like if somebody,

12:51if there's a hoax, it's just go to the source material.

12:53You know, if somebody thinks, you know,

12:56Trump said that we should put those chain in a firing squad,

12:59I'm like, let me send you a link to X

13:02so you can watch his video.

13:04That's the best way.

13:05Yes.

13:05Don't take my opinion for it.

13:07Don't take anyone's opinion for it.

13:08Go to the source material.

13:09And community notes.

13:10Yes, and community notes is awesome.

13:12Community notes is the best.

13:13It's awesome.

13:13It's incredible.

13:14Yeah. Because everybody gets checked.

13:15Yes, including me.

13:17Yeah.

13:18And with community notes,

13:19the, all the software is open source and all the data is open source.

13:24So you can recreate any given note independently.

13:26That's amazing.

13:27Yeah.

13:28That's how it should be.

13:29It's a total absolute transparency in every way.

13:32You know, sometimes I get asked, oh, y'all can you remove a note?

13:35You know, mostly by the left, but sometimes by the right, I'm like, I'm like, I don't

13:39even remove notes on my own count.

13:41Nothing.

13:42And by the way, everything is totally open.

13:44So if I did that, it would stick out like a sore thumb immediately.

13:48Like it's not going to be subtle.

13:49That is the best counter to misinformation.

13:51Yes, absolutely.

13:53Let everybody look at it and say,

13:54okay, here's what the actual facts say.

13:56Yes, exactly.

13:57The counter to misinformation is better information.

14:00Not just that, but having it checked in real time

14:03by the community.

14:04So you have millions of people that can go over it

14:06and debate whether or not this is true or that's true.

14:09Yes, and like I said, the best way

14:12to understand the truth of things

14:13is don't take anyone's opinion for it.

14:15Look at the source material.

14:16So look at what someone actually said.

14:18Look at what someone actually did.

14:19Look at the real videos of the situation.

14:21And then you can actually, you'll know what's real.

14:24Especially on the Democrat side,

14:26they've been repeatedly saying that the First Amendment

14:29is an obstacle.

14:30And they're claiming, oh, the First Amendment

14:32is enabling disinformation, misinformation.

14:35And I'm like, yo, there's a reason for the First Amendment.

14:37Freedom of speech, the reason they found out

14:40the country put the Freedom of Speech there

14:42is because they came from countries,

14:43where if you spoke your mind, you would get shot

14:47or imprisoned.

14:48That's why the First Amendment exists.

14:50And the Second Amendment is there

14:51to stop the attorney of government.

14:53The Second Amendment, the right to be our arms,

14:55is there to protect freedom of speech.

14:57You know, and I've had these debates,

14:59especially with people in LA,

15:00because they're like, one, take your one's guns away.

15:02And I'm like, yo, can you guarantee me

15:05that the government, that we will never have

15:07a tyrannical government in the United States?

15:09Can you make that guarantee?

15:11But like, well, nobody can make that guarantee.

15:13I'm like, then we need to keep our guns.

15:15Because that's what's gonna stop it.

15:17That sounds crazy for people to hear

15:19because they think about gun violence

15:21and gun problems and gun this and gun that,

15:23but that's the reality of the world that we live in

15:26is that tyranny is possible and it exists other places

15:29and it's slowly existing.

15:31It's slowly rearing its head in the UK.

15:34You're saying, I think the number of people

15:37that have been arrested for just social media posts

15:41is bananas, it's in the thousands.

15:43Yes, several thousand people have been given prison sentences

15:46those in the UK for social media posts that where there was no explicit link to actual violence,

15:53but they just said it encouraged violence.

15:55Like, well, did anyone actually do anything as a result of that?

15:58Media posts will know.

16:00But they're just and and then they have a prison overcrowding situation in the UK so that quite

16:05literally releasing convicted pedophiles and putting people in jail for Facebook posts,

16:11does an actual thing happening in Britain?

16:13Like it's you're like, it's all wild.

16:15The helicopter is going on.

16:17And what's insane to me is that it's all being encouraged by the left.

16:22Katainge, Brown Jackson, John Kerry, Hilary.

16:25John Kerry was one of the people who said that on camera, like a few weeks ago, saying

16:30that the first amendment is an obstacle to fighting misinformation.

16:34Yeah.

16:35That's crazy.

16:36That's such a crazy thing to say when you have a solution in community notes.

16:39You have a solution in something that could clear everything up any confusion within

16:42a day or two.

16:43And even without a community note, you can reply to a post with evidence that shows that

16:49the post is wrong.

16:50You don't even need community notes.

16:51I mean, community is helpful because it sticks to the original note.

16:53Yes.

16:54But in the replies, you can say, here's why you're wrong, here are the reasons, and here's

16:57the evidence.

16:58But the argument is that people are too unsophisticated, that they're not going to research these

17:03things.

17:04They're going to be a victim of misinformation.

17:06So they're going to read something that's incorrect.

17:08They're going to run with it.

17:10People are going to die.

17:11People are going to ruin the world.

17:12because people believed in misinformation.

17:14It's a stupid argument.

17:15It's a stupid argument.

17:16Because it's an argument that they're too dumb

17:18to know what's right or wrong.

17:19If you know, because you're saying it's misinformation,

17:21why do you think that you're smarter

17:23than everybody who reads that?

17:25Exactly.

17:25And obviously anyone on the X system

17:28knows that things are posted

17:29and then there are replies and there are bottles

17:31and it's immediately corrected.

17:33But where are the corrections for the legacy media?

17:34Right.

17:35When some broadcast media, they say false things all the time,

17:40things all the time, but it's a one way street. There's no rebuttal. There's no counter.

17:44Right. Right. Who's apologized for being incorrect about what did Rachel Mato ever apologize for

17:52telling everybody that if you get the COVID vaccine, you're never going to get COVID. It won't

17:55that virus stops with you. Never. Never. It's just it was not true at the time. There was no evidence

18:01to support it at the time. It's pure propaganda. And she said it, the Russia gate hoax. The

18:06for three years, they said that he was Putin's toy.

18:10And that Putin had him compromised the steel dossier.

18:12Steel dossier was completely fabricated by

18:15lawyer Perkins Koi, who was paid by the Clinton campaign.

18:18Literally.

18:19Crazy.

18:20And still people think the Russia hoax is real.

18:21And there's no repercussions.

18:23Yes.

18:24No one had to apologize.

18:25Hillary couldn't have ever came out and apologized for that.

18:26And people still listened to her.

18:28The whole thing is crazy.

18:29And it's all coming from the left, which growing up as a person who was in the left my

18:34whole life, it doesn't make any sense.

18:36Same, I was on the left until three years ago.

18:38It's not the left anymore.

18:39It's not the left anymore.

18:40It's just, I think we obviously want,

18:43I believe we want freedom.

18:44We want to maximize post-posomal liberty.

18:47I think we want to be kind to people.

18:49We want to have empathy.

18:50And but it's very important to have personal freedom

18:52and a merit-based society.

18:54And the left is wants to oppress your freedoms,

18:58especially freedom of speech.

18:59And they want to have a non-barret-based society,

19:03with race-based and sex-based preferences.

19:05as well as I can.

19:06No, we just want people to succeed based on their skills

19:09and their hard work.

19:10And if they don't want people to express themselves

19:13about particular issues, then they're not doing the will

19:15of the people.

19:16And if they're trying to suppress people's ability

19:17to communicate, they're only doing that

19:19because they wanna do things that people don't want them to do.

19:22And they wanna silence opposition.

19:24That's all it is.

19:26And the fact that people can't see that

19:27and they wanna call Trump a fascist,

19:30it's the whole thing is through the looking glass.

19:33I mean, it's one hoax after another

19:34that they're portraying as Trump.

19:36I'm trying to call the rally

19:37at Madison Square Gardens like a Nazi rally.

19:39I'm like, yo, there was like literally

19:41an Israeli flag in the audience.

19:43I think a quarter of the speakers were Jewish.

19:45There was like, there were people

19:46of every race, color, creed, religion at that rally.

19:49Tell me what about that is Nazi?

19:52And yet it was portrayed as a Nazi rally.

19:53Well, MSNBC, they literally showed video

19:56of the Nazi rally from the 1930s

19:58and then compared it to the Trump rally.

20:00Now ignoring the fact that Jimmy Carter spoke there.

20:04There have been dozens of political rallies

20:06at Madison Square Gardens.

20:07Dozens on the Democrat side.

20:09People on X will like,

20:11and here's exactly, here's Jimmy Carter,

20:13and here's both Clinton.

20:14And here's, wait a second.

20:16Actually, it looks like every presidential candidate

20:18has done a, on the Democrat side,

20:20has done a rally at Madison Square Gardens.

20:22Are they not these two?

20:23But what they're doing is they're praying

20:25on low information voters who aren't engaged actively

20:28on social media who don't have the time to look through everything.

20:32Exactly.

20:33Yeah.

20:34If people are just on looking at legacy mainstream media, then they have a totally different

20:38worldview than if they're on X and seeing the actual flow of argument and the actual evidence.

20:44Well, what was the pushback?

20:46What happened when you guys released the Twitter files?

20:49Because I think the Twitter files is probably one of the most important things in this

20:52age of information for understanding the influence that government has on social media and on

20:57discourse because when when we found out that that was the case that the government was actually

21:02Asking Twitter to remove posts that were factual all the time. They did the same thing to Facebook

21:07They had them throttle pieces of one of Tucker Carlson's show. They suppressed the views by 50 percent. Yeah of factual information

21:15Yeah, no, there was there was massive government interference in Twitter, but but Twitter welcomed it. It doesn't point at all

21:20All Twitter was controlled by far left activists.

21:26They welcomed the government interference.

21:28They got paid by the government for it.

21:31That's crazy.

21:32They got paid for their time, correct?

21:33Yeah, they got paid millions of dollars for suppressing information.

21:36So it's like Bill and Tom.

21:37And a bunch of it was like, I had this sort of magic portal into the Twitter system.

21:43And all of the communication in this portal was auto-deleted after two weeks, which breaks

21:49federal foil lawyers. So we didn't know what was said because it was all deleted after two weeks.

21:54That's insane. Yeah. That's so crazy. It's so crazy that people thought that was okay.

21:58It's not super not okay. No, it's super not okay. It's unconstitutional. And no one would want

22:04that. No one would want the government to have that kind of access. Exactly.