马斯克 x 特朗普：X Spaces 完整访谈

0:00As this massive attack illustrates, there’s a lot of opposition to people just hearing what President Trump has to say. But I’m honored to have this conversation. I want to emphasize it’s a conversation. And it’s really intended to just get a feel for what Donald Trump is just like in a conversation. It’s hard to catch a vibe about someone if you just don’t hear them talk in a normal way. And when there’s an adversarial interview, no one’s themselves in an adversarial interview. And this is really aimed at open-minded independent voters who are just trying to make up their mind. So you can understand what is it just like to have a conversation. So Donald, great to speak. We had a great conversation yesterday. As you mentioned yesterday, if we could just record that conversation and post it would’ve been excellent. And I hope we can have something like that today.

1:30Yeah.

1:36Well, thank you. Well, maybe we could start off with, I mean, the assassination attempt, which was an incredible thing. And I have to say that your actions at that assassination attempt were inspiring. Instead of shying away from things, instead of ducking down, you were pumping your fist in the air and saying, “Fight, fight, fight.” I think the President of the United States represents America. And I think that is America. That is strength under fire. And so that’s part of the reason why I was excited to endorse you as the President of the United States for having another term here, is that was just incredibly inspiring. But what was it like for you?

2:31Not Pleasant.

3:45Yeah.

4:12I mean, maybe it’s a sign. Maybe that’s a sign.

4:17You highlighted a serious issue, and at that moment, the bullet hit your ear, but missed your head. I mean-

5:24Yeah.

5:45Yeah.

6:15Yeah.

6:57Sure. Absolutely.

7:24Yeah. Absolutely.

7:39I mean, that’s clearly, he was very competent in taking that shot to stop the attempted assassination. But I mean, there does seem to be, I mean, some pretty significant failings elsewhere in the system. There’s just no way that, how on earth does a shooter get on a roof 130 yards away? That seems crazy. I think most people are wondering how on earth could such a thing happen?

8:29Yeah, yeah, yeah. I saw the videos.

8:33I guess from my part, and I think probably many members of the public are wondering how the heck are basically people wondering why, pointing out there’s a guy on the roof with a gun.

8:46And they’re seeing it, but somehow it’s not being addressed. That does seem crazy.

9:25Okay.

9:41Yeah.

9:55Yeah, it’s not a tough shot.

10:04Yeah.

11:14Yeah.

11:36Sure.

12:18I mean, looking at the aerial views, that building would be the number one spot for a sniper. It’s like if you were to pick what is the favorite… So if the goal is to assassinate, what’s your favorite spot? That building.

12:30That building would be number one.

12:32It’s like you couldn’t ask for a better location. It’s like number one.

12:36Yeah.

13:19Yeah. But he totally would’ve hit if you hadn’t turned your head. So it was a very near thing.

13:31Exactly.

13:35You’d be talking to me from another realm perhaps.

14:01Yeah.

14:26Well, I think your actions in the heat of fire, what I find admirable there was that you can’t fake bravery under such circumstances. The courage is instinctual, or it is not. It’s not a rehearsed action. And so I just want to say that I think a lot of people admire your courage under fire there. Yeah.

15:45Yeah.

16:14It was incredibly moving. Yeah. Well, and I mean speaking of the sort of slide that got you to turn, that saved your life really, was the legal immigration slide.

16:29Maybe this is worth talking about that slide. That slide saved your life, basically.

16:42I mean, that’s a great one. Saved by illegal immigration.

16:58Yeah.

17:40Well, what were you about to say about illegal immigration before you were rudely interrupted?

17:51Great.

18:20Yeah, so rudely interrupted by an assassination attempt.

18:25Some people have no manners.

18:38Yeah, yeah.

19:54Would it be accurate to say that you’re supportive of legal immigration, but we obviously need to shut down illegal immigration, and especially unvetted illegal immigration?

20:06And that’s not the same as saying that everyone who’s an illegal immigrant is bad. In fact, I think most people who are illegal immigrants are actually good. But you can’t tell a difference unless there’s a solid vetting of who comes across the border.

20:20Does that actually represent your position?

20:27Yeah.

22:10Yeah. Sure.

22:45Yeah. No, I think it is essential to have a secure border. I mean, you’re really not a country unless you’re in a secure border.

22:57Yeah, absolutely. Secure elections. And so it is just essential to have a real border, or we can’t function as a country, and our central services are being overwhelmed in a lot of cities. But as we were talking about earlier, I think having a legal immigration process that is smooth and efficient and done well, and speaking as someone who is a legal immigrant. And I think that one way to think of it is, who do you want on your team? Who do you want on Team America? And I think we want to just say, “Okay, we want to let in people who are going to be great contributors to our society and to our economy.” And who do you want on the team? And it’s not to say that, in my opinion, actually, I’d say probably most of the illegal immigrants are actually good, hardworking people. That’s my opinion. But some are not. And you just have this sort of adverse selection process where if somebody has a career in theft or robbery, I don’t understand what’s taken them so long to get here, because we such a target rich environment. Why aren’t more people who have a career in bad things coming here sooner? Because it’s a piece of cake to go rob houses in LA or New York compared to other parts of the world. And in a lot of places in America, if you try to stop the person who’s robbing you, you’ll be arrested. So it’s insane.

25:06I think you’re right.

25:30That’s what Castro did.

25:35Yeah.

25:49Yeah.

27:21It’s simply not working.

27:24Whether it’s a question of intention or competence, either way, we don’t have a secure border. And we have people streaming over, it looks like a World War Z zombie apocalypse at times. And sometimes you got to sort of wonder, is it real or not? Because you see things, and you’re like, “Is it real?” So I went to the border at Eagle Pass, and I saw it for myself in Texas. And I was like, “Okay, it’s real.” I’m seeing this in real time. I actually posted the video just live. I just flew there one day and just to see, hey, is this made up or real? And I’m just seeing people stream across the border. And I have to say, at least the people that I saw did not look friendly. People can look at my video and say, “Hey, these people look friendly.” They don’t look super friendly.

29:33Yeah.

29:37Yeah. Frankly, I think this is a fundamental existential issue for the United States. And if we have another four more years of open borders, and with another four more years, it’s going to be even worse than it’s been for the past three and a half years. I’m not sure we’ve got a country at that point.

30:19Yeah, this is a super important point. Basically, when I went down there, I was like, “Well, where are people from?” It’s like almost no one was from Mexico.

30:31It’s just the border with Mexico. But the people coming in, it’s Earth. The rest of Earth. And America is only about 4% or 5% of the population of Earth. It would only take a few percent of the rest of Earth to overwhelm everything in the US.

30:57Yeah.

31:48It’s just an everywhere on Earth thing. It’s just not possible for the United States to absorb everyone from Earth or even a few percent of the rest of Earth, is just not possible.

33:39They just took him out back behind the shed and basically shot him.

34:11Yeah, I think you’re making an excellent point here, which is that when other countries that are thinking about invading or doing bad things, when they’re thinking about that, they’re thinking about, okay, what’s the American president going to do? Do they fear the American president? Or is there someone they do not respect and do not fear? I think they do… They would rightfully be, I mean, look at the footage of the assassination. They’re like, okay, President Trump is like, “Don’t mess with me.” I mean, whereas I think people are not going to be… They obviously have not been at all intimidated by Biden, and they certainly will not be intimidated by Kamala. You have to really think about in the context of global security, that if the American president is someone that evil dictators are scared of, that makes a huge difference to the security of the world.

37:01Yeah, it doesn’t make any sense. It’s inconsistent, certainly. I mean, I think it’s just worth emphasizing to listeners the immense importance of whether the United States president is intimidating or not intimidating and how much that matters to global security. There’s some real tough characters out there and if they don’t think the American president is tough, they will do what they want to do.

37:31It puts the whole world in danger.

40:09Those were some epic tweets, by the way.

40:49Exactly.

40:52Yeah. It’s because people like Kim Jong Un, they respond to strength, not weakness. He projects strength.

45:06I think you’re right. I think people underrate the risk of World War III. When looking at the risk of global thermonuclear warfare, it’s game over for humanity. It’s something that, I think after the end of the Cold War, people have become complacent about. They actually have forgotten that there are currently a lot of nuclear missiles that have targeting parameters for the United States from other countries.

46:42No, they could not.

47:00Yes, absolutely.

47:52A lot of people just don’t understand where inflation comes from. Inflation comes from government overspending because the checks never bounce when it’s written by the government. So if the government spends far more than it brings in, that increases the money supply. If the money supply increases faster than the rate of goods and services, that’s inflation. So really we need to reduce our government spending and we need to re-examine… I think we need a government efficiency commission to say like, “Hey, where are we spending money that’s sensible. Where is it not sensible?” We need to live within our means. We are currently adding, I think, a trillion dollars to the deficit roughly every hundred days. The interest payments on the national debt have now exceeded the defense budget. It’s on the order of a trillion dollars. It keeps growing.

49:31Thank you.

50:48Sure. Well, just going back to this basic thing, which that people try to make it sound complicated, but it’s not. Inflation is caused by government overspending. Would you agree that we need to take a look at government spending?

51:05Have perhaps a government efficiency commission that tries to make the spending sensible so the country lives within its means just like a person does?

51:45Wow. That’s insane.

51:56That’s a crazy number.

52:48Exactly. Multiply it by a zillion.

52:56I think it would be great to just have a government efficiency commission that takes a look at these things and just ensures that the taxpayer money, the taxpayers hard-earned money is spent in a good way. I’d be happy to help out on such a commission.

53:13If it were formed.

53:32Well, I’d be happy to help out.

54:37Yeah, well, it’s just from government overspending and just not spending taxpayer money effectively and having so many departments, you can’t even name them all. What Milei is doing is he’s cutting government spending. He’s simplifying things. He’s putting in regulations that make sense. Argentina overnight is experiencing a giant improvement in prosperity. It’s also a lesson for the United States, which is that Argentina used to be one of the most prosperous countries in the world. I think in the ’30s, ’40s. Because of bad government policy, it ruined the country. If you take Venezuela for example. Venezuela should be incredibly prosperous. They have phenomenal reserves of everything, oil, everything, and should be prosperous. If the government’s wrong, it impoverishes the people. So I think we should not be complacent in the United States and thinking that and taking our prosperity for granted, because with bad government policy, we can run the country into the ground. That’s just something people should bear in mind. Don’t take prosperity for granted.

58:01Yeah, I think you’re making a good point in that if each state has to compete against other states, then people will naturally move to states where it’s better.

58:51Sure. No, but some of these governors are doing so badly. I mean, they got so many people moving out of their state they should get U-Haul Salesman of the Year award because they’re driving so much U-Haul sales.

59:07People moving out.

59:57I think the only thing that’s going to force some of these states to change is if they risk bankruptcy and they’re not getting bailed out by the federal government.

1:00:05That’s the only thing that’s going to get them change.

1:00:50Well, I think that the larger point here, as you’re saying, a lot of people are concerned about the economy, a lot of people concerned about inflation. Inflation is effectively a tax on people that save money and for people that are working day to day. It’s just a form of taxation. If we can solve the government spending problem, we’ll solve the inflation problem, which means people will have a better standard of living. That’s a really big deal.

1:02:01Yeah.

1:02:06Like I said, think just comes down to really, I guess really two things, which is that if you solve government overspending, you solve inflation, which improves living standards-

1:02:15… of the average person. And then if you deregulate, have sensible regulations, because a lot of the regulations are nonsensical and cause the cost to be extreme for no reason. But unless you’ve got effective deregulation… Reagan did a great job on deregulation in the eighties, but it’s been 40 years since we hadn’t anyone-

1:02:38… really. And during your administration, we made some progress. But I think the opportunity to make, I think, radical progress with sensible regulation. And if [inaudible 01:02:49]

1:02:49Those two things. Yeah, those are the big deals.

1:06:12Yeah, absolutely. I should probably say something about maybe my views on climate change and oil and gas because I think they’re probably different from what most people would assume because my views are actually pretty, I think moderate in this regard, which is that I don’t think we should vilify the oil and gas industry and the people that have worked very hard in those industries to provide the necessary energy to support the economy. And if we were to stop using oil and gas right now, we would all be starving and the economy would collapse. So I don’t think it’s right to vilify the oil and gas industry. And the world has a certain demand for oil and gas, and it’s probably better if the United States provides that than some other countries, and it would help with prosperity in the US. And at the same time, obviously my view is like we do over time want to move to a sustainable energy economy because eventually, you run out of oil and gas. It’s not infinite, and there is some risk. I think the risk is not as high as a lot of people say it is with respect to global warming. But I think if you just keep increasing the cost per million in the atmosphere long enough, eventually it actually simply gets uncomfortable to breathe. People don’t realize this. If you go past a thousand parts per million of CO2, you start getting headaches and nausea. And so we’re now in the sort 400 range. We’re adding, I think about roughly two plus per million per year. So it still gives us… What it means is we still have quite a bit of time, so it’s not like we don’t need to rush and we don’t need to stop farmers from farming or prevent people from having steaks or-

1:08:08… basic stuff like that. Leave the farmers alone.

1:08:21It’s silly.

1:09:48Yeah. Yeah. Well, my estimate would be a little more aggressive than that, but it’s not the sort of we’re all going to die in five years stuff. That’s obviously BS. But my view is if you just look at sort of the parts per million that increments every year, you get sort of two or three parts per million every year of CO2. I think some of that, it’s problematic if it accelerates, if you start going from two or three-

1:10:16… to say five. And then there may be some situations where you get a step change increase in the CO2. And I think we don’t want to get too close to 1000 PPM because that’s actually makes it uncomfortable to breathe. Just existing in 1000 PPM CO2 is uncomfortable. That’s considered an industrial hazard.

1:10:44So that’s actually… You start getting headaches and stuff. So even without global warming, it’s not comfortable to live. So you don’t want to get too close to that. But I think we want to just move over. And if, I don’t know, 50 to 100 years from now, I don’t know, mostly sustainable, I think that’ll probably be okay. So it is not like the house is on fire immediately, but I think it is something we need to move towards. And on balance, it’s probably better to move there faster than slower, but like I said, without vilifying the oil and gas industry and without causing hardship in the short term. I think this can be done without- People can still have a steak and they can still drive gasoline cars, and it’s okay. I don’t think we should vilify people for it, but I think we should just generally lean in the direction of sustainability. And I actually think solar is going to be a majority of Earth’s energy generation in the future, and it’s certainly trending that way. And so you get the solar power, mine that with batteries because obviously the sun doesn’t shine at night, and then you use that to charge the electric cars and you have a long-term sustainable solution. That’s what Tesla’s trying to move things towards, and I think we’ve made a lot of progress in that regard. But when you look at our cars, we don’t believe that environmentalism, that caring about the environment should mean that you have to suffer. So we make sure that our cars are beautiful, that they drive well, that they’re fast, they’re sexy. They’re cool. In fact, literally I made the sexy joke model. S, model three, model X and Y spells out sexy. It was probably the most expensive joke out there.

1:12:37But I don’t know, I like cheesy humor. But I’m a big fan of let’s have an inspiring future and let’s work towards a better future, and we can do so without demonizing people.

1:14:41Yeah. Yeah. Nuclear power is underrated. It’s awesome.

1:14:59And actually, there’s the bad side of nuclear, which is nuclear war, very bad side, but there’s also, I think nuclear electricity generation-

1:15:08… is underrated.

1:15:10And it’s actually, people have this fear of nuclear electricity generation, but it’s actually one of the safest forms of electricity generation. It’s just a huge misunderstanding. And if you look at the injuries and deaths caused by, say… I’m not going to try to pick on coal mining, but just any kind of mining operation, and there’s a certain number of injuries and deaths per year. When you compare that to nuclear, nuclear is actually way better. So it is underrated as an electricity source, and I think it’s something that’s worth reconsidering, but there’s so much regulation that people can’t get it done. So [inaudible 01:15:48]

1:15:52Yeah, it’s a rough name.

1:15:54Bad branding.

1:16:00I don’t think [inaudible 01:16:02]

1:16:05It does have a branding problem.

1:16:29It’s actually not that bad. So after Fukushima happened in Japan, people were asking me in California, “Are we worried about a nuclear cloud coming from Japan?” I’m like, “No, that’s crazy. It’s actually… It’s not even dangerous in Fukushima.” I actually flew there and ate locally grown vegetables on TV to prove it. And I donated a solar powered system for a water treatment plant.

1:16:57No, no, but-

1:17:01… it’s fine. It’s like Hiroshima and Nagasaki were bombed, but now they’re full cities again, so-

1:17:06… it’s really not something that-

1:17:11Right. It’s not as scary as people think, basically. But let’s see, are there some other topics we should touch on? lawfare, I think we need to be concerned.

1:17:23Obviously.

1:17:24Yeah.

1:19:26It’s clearly like we just don’t have a president right now. This is obviously the case.

1:20:35Well, yeah.

1:20:37I think that’s-

1:20:42Right. Yeah, just [inaudible 01:20:44]

1:20:44Yeah, just [inaudible 00:18:45

1:21:28Yeah, this is simply not true. This is simply not true.

1:21:31Yeah, simply not true.

1:21:33No. Obviously what’s happening overnight is they rewriting history and making Kamala sound like a moderate, when in fact she is far left, far, far left.

1:22:41Yeah. No, no. Netanyahu came to give a talk to a joint Senate and house sitting, and I was there and Kamala stood him up. What does that say?

1:23:54I think you’re right. It;s important for the public that maybe listening to this to look at Kamala’s track record before the last month and say, is that a track record you agree with? And I think if you’re an independent moderate, you definitely would not agree with it because her behavior has been far left, and we’re seeing just an overnight propaganda attempt to rewrite history and make it sound like Kamala’s moderate when she in fact is not moderate.

1:24:33Yeah. Yeah, that’s weird.

1:24:34That’s weird.

1:24:35Yeah, that’s not okay.

1:25:01I think we’re in massive trouble, frankly, with the Kamala administration, and that’s my honest opinion. And I think really, it’s essential that you win, for the good of the country, this election. I’m just stating my opinion. Now, you may have seen this, but I got a letter from the EU Commission saying to not have disinformation during this discussion that we’re having. And there’s a lot of attempts to do censorship and to force censorship even on Americans from other countries. And what do you think about that?

1:27:49Yeah. I think a lot of the public isn’t aware of the fact that the United States pays a disproportionate share of the NATO expenses.

1:28:00Yeah. Well, the point of NATO is defending Europe, and it’s like then, okay, well, why is the United States paying disproportionately more to defend Europe than Europe? That doesn’t make sense. That’s unfair. And that is an appropriate thing to address.

1:28:49Yeah. Yeah.

1:29:07Yeah, absolutely.

1:29:10Yeah. Well, I think it’s obvious that you’re a believer and an advocate of free speech because during your first time as president, you were attacked relentlessly every day, often very unfairly with false attacks, and you didn’t try to shut down the media, you didn’t try to inhibit their freedom of speech. And I think that says a lot.

1:29:47No.

1:30:04That’s true.

1:30:13Yes, we can actually have a…

1:30:16This is a really big point. You can actually have a conversation with you.

1:30:21And you can’t have a conversation with Biden or Kamala. It’s not possible.

1:30:27It’s just like talking to an NPC, so it’s just impossible.

1:30:53That’s for sure.

1:31:29No, it’s silly. It would be silly.

1:31:53Yeah. Well, I think part of what people in America want to… People in America want to feel excited and inspired about the future. They want to feel like the future’s going to be better than the past, and that America’s going to do things that are greater than we’ve done in the past, reach new heights that make you proud to be an American and excited about the future. And it just-

1:32:37Yeah, it was just absurd. But I think there are some grand projects that we could do. I think we could build a base on the moon. We could send American astronauts to Mars.

1:32:52We could build high-speed connections that are more advanced than anything else in the world between our cities so people have fast transport.

1:33:00… support. It’s possible to solve traffic with tunnels.

1:33:05We’ve already made great progress in Vegas doing that, and just do things that are exciting and inspiring to make the future feel like it’s better than the past.

1:33:27Yeah.

1:33:30No, it’s straightforward.

1:33:33And I think we could do some things that, like China’s got incredible high-speed rail between its cities, but I think it’s actually possible with tunnels. With deregulation, with an ability to actually, where it’s legal to actually do the tunnels, then you could have high-speed tunnels that are actually better than anything else in the world for high-speed between cities. And that would be something that Americans can say, “Wow. Okay, we’ve got something that’s cooler than anyone else in the world,” that’s the kind of thing that makes you proud to be American.

1:34:38Yeah. I think also I’m hopping on the excess regulation, but I think something that I people can generally understand is that what happens with laws and regulations is that there’s more and more of them every year. And unless there’s a process to clean them up, eventually everything becomes illegal-

1:34:56… and that actually slows down the development of new technologies. If you take, I think there’s room for some reform at the FDA for improving the speed with which we approve drugs that could help save lives and improve people’s lives.

1:36:03Yeah. It just takes too long, and you end up in the same with the approval, but it takes years instead of something that I think could potentially take months that improves people’s lives. But I just wanted to hop on this point that there has to be an active process for reducing rules and regulations because otherwise they just keep building up every year, and you get hardening of the arteries and eventually everything’s illegal or takes forever, and then we just ossify as a society, we can’t make any progress, and it’s a really big deal.

1:38:17Yeah. And actually to give Europe some props here, it’s like if a drug is approved in Europe, which has a crazy amount of regulations, it should obviously be approved in the US. I mean, they’ve get more regulations than we do, so why would a drug be approved in Europe and not in the US? That’s crazy.

1:38:50Absolutely.

1:38:51I think as long as people are properly informed of the pros and cons, and like, “These are the risks, those are the risk,” and you make your own decision. That makes sense.

1:39:21Well, I think in terms of people-

1:39:40Well, I think actually in terms of the number of people that will hear this conversation over the next few days, two weeks, it’s going to be hundreds of millions.

1:40:26I mean, with all these things, I always try to get to the ground truth by just asking people. And my mom lives in New York and I was like, “Mom, have any of your friends been attacked or assaulted?” And she said, “Yeah,” three of her friends in three separate incidents-

1:40:42… were assaulted just in recent months just walking around the streets in New York. And I said, “Well, what happened to the people that assaulted them?” “Oh, nothing. They got away.” And they just know-

1:40:57And they don’t even bother reporting it because they know that people are not going to get prosecuted. They just let violent criminals out in New York-

1:41:13Yeah. I mean, it’s just obviously messed up.

1:41:16If violent criminals are being getting off scot-free, and meanwhile New York spending massive resources prosecuting you, and I think the sensible public looks at this and says, “What the heck’s going on here? This is obviously abuse of the legal system.” The legal system’s supposed to be protecting the public from violent criminals, and it should be obviously allowing the public to make their own decision about who should be president as opposed to some legal case.

1:42:24Of course.

1:42:27Exactly.

1:43:03Yeah, I think there’s a lot of opportunity, absolutely.

1:43:16It’s kind of you to say, thank you.

1:43:34Thank you. Well, I’ll just say here’s to an exciting inspiring future that people can look forward to and be optimistic and excited about what happens next. And that’s the kind of future that I think you’ll bring as president, and that’s why I endorse you.

1:44:13I think that’s a very real risk.

1:44:17That’s a very real risk. I’d just like to note to people listening, I’ve not been very political before, and if you look at my record, I’ve actually been, they try to paint me as a far right guy, which is absurd because I’m making electric vehicles and solar and batteries helping them with the environment, and I actually supported Obama. I stood in line for six hours to shake Obama’s hand when he was running for president. And so it’s not like I’m some sort of dive in the world, long-term Republican. I’m actually, I call myself historically a moderate Democrat, but now I feel like we’re really at a critical juncture for the country. And I think a lot of people thought that Biden administration would be a moderate administration, but it’s not. And obviously we’re just going to see an even further left administration with Kamala. That’s my honest opinion. I mean, her dad is literally, I mean she was brought up as an actual… Her dad is a Marxist economist. You can Google it. I mean, we’re not making this up, that’s how she was brought up. And we want to have a future that is prosperous, and I think we’re just at this critical juncture, and I think this is a case of America is going to at a fork in the road, and I think it will take the path, you are the path to prosperity, and I think Kamala is the opposite. That’s my honest opinion. I’m going to get attacked like crazy. I’ve also experienced quite a bit of lawfare myself, but I’m just trying to tell people my honest opinion, and I haven’t been really active in politics before and I’m just trying to point out that my track record historically has been moderate, if not moderate, slightly left. And so this is to people out there who are in the moderate camp to say, I think you should support Donald Trump for president. And I think it’s actually a very important junction in the road, and we’re in deep trouble if it goes the other way.

1:47:36I mean, if I could summarize it, perhaps, I think these are issues that I think most people in America would agree with, which is that we want safe and clean cities. We want secure borders, we want sensible government spending. We want to restore both the perception and reality of respect in the judicial system. Stop the lawfare. How are those even right-wing positions. I think those, that’s just common sense. I mean, would you agree with that?

1:48:26[inaudible 01:48:27].

1:49:11Well, absolutely. And it’s obviously demoralizing if you’re a police officer risking your life to arrest violent criminals who could kill you and do kill you sometimes, and then you arrest a violent criminal and then the DA doesn’t prosecute and then just let the guy out. Well, then why should a police officer risk their life to arrest a violent felon-

1:49:37… if nothing’s going to happen.

1:49:51Well, I thought it was very telling, incredibly telling that when there was a case where a gang of thugs beat up police officers. I think it was in Times Square in New York, and then nothing happened to those guys. They were let out zero bail, and I think a bunch of them were given free tickets to California. Well, I mean that is a gross indignity against the United States, and that’s how this is insane. Have we lost all pride? How can such a thing be allowed to occur?

1:50:54Dead.

1:51:17Yeah. We just cannot have a situation where our police officers are beaten up on camera by a gang of illegal immigrants and then nothing happens to the guys that beat up the cops, and they’re let out. This is unacceptable.

1:52:19Yeah, it’s-

1:52:57… yeah, it’s just got to be done. We just can’t have, whether they’re citizens or not citizens, we can’t have, because they weren’t prosecuted citizens either, not just illegals. So you can have repeat violent offenders that don’t get incarcerated.

1:53:20Because they will obviously by definition continue to hurt people. And I think where part of this comes from is that, and I do consider myself liberal in some ways. I mean, it is just that you want to have empathy for people. Obviously you want to have empathy for people. I totally agree with that. You want to have empathy, but you also have to have empathy for the victims of the criminals. And if you just have empathy for the criminals, it’s actually shallow empathy. It’s not real. You’re not thinking you have one layer deep empathy. You’ve got to say, if you don’t incarcerate this person, who are they going to hurt? They might kill someone, they might rape someone if you don’t incarcerate them. You have to have empathy for the victims. And there’s a lack of empathy for the victims of the criminals, and too much empathy for the criminals, it doesn’t make sense. That’s why you want to have deep empathy for society as a whole, not shallow empathy for criminals.

1:56:29Yes, it’s horrible. The facts speak for themselves.

1:56:32The facts speak for themselves. It’s gone to the point where people just don’t even bother reporting crime in a lot of cities-

1:56:36… because they know nothing’s going to happen. That’s what I hear anecdotally from people all the time. So my values, I’m just saying to people out there, the things I think are important for the future is we’ve got to have safe cities. We’ve got to have secure borders, we’ve got to have sensible spending, and we’ve got to have deregulation so we can have a prosperous future. And then we want to have some exciting moonshot projects that people can get fired up about, and that’s the future I’m looking for. And I’m pro environment, but I’m not against, I don’t think we should vilify the oil and gas industry because they’re keeping civilization going right now, but I do think we want to move a reasonable speed towards a sustainable energy economy. Those are my values. I mean, that’s why I’m supporting you for president.

1:59:42No, I think we’re a fork in the road of destiny of civilization, and I think we need to take the right path, and I think you’re the right path, so I think that’s what it comes down to.

2:00:05Sure.

2:00:11All right, sounds good. Thank you.