乔·罗根体验 #2054：马斯克

0:01Joe Rogan, one of the guys, check it out.

0:03The Joe Rogan, experience.

0:05Train by day, Joe Rogan, podcast by night. All day.

0:09I think I'm not cool.

0:16Yeah.

0:17Thanks, Joe Rogan.

0:18Have you seen that before?

0:20Did people get you one of those?

0:22Yeah.

0:23He's awesome.

0:24He's awesome. He's pretty edgy.

0:26Yeah, he's amazing that he puts out a piece of art per day.

0:30365 days a year.

0:32Yeah. I was following him on the X platform, FK, Twitter.

0:36Twitter but it was some it was too drawing.

0:39Too jarring some of the images.

0:41Yeah.

0:42Cheers sir.

0:42Happy Halloween.

0:43Thanks for doing us.

0:45Appreciate it.

0:46You're welcome.

0:47Thanks for rolling up in this hybrid truck too.

0:50Yeah.

0:51I got a chance to look at it in the factory that was almost, what was that like a year

0:54and a half ago or so?

0:56Was it?

0:58It was a while ago.

0:59Yeah a year ago I guess.

1:00Yeah at least a year.

1:02At least a year.

1:03And it's different in real life.

1:05Like you see it in person.

1:07Like images are just, we were talking about it outside,

1:10you just can't contextualize them.

1:13Yes.

1:14It looks so odd that you have to see it in the flesh.

1:18It looks like computer graphics in reality.

1:20Yeah, it's the coolest looking fucking production car

1:23that's ever been made.

1:23It's world proof literally.

1:25Literally.

1:25Literally.

1:26Yeah.

1:27One of the videos we're going to show is just going all

1:31like full elkopon.

1:33just like Velkorn showed up and Antita,

1:37the entire magazine of a Tommy gun

1:39into the side of the car, you'll be okay.

1:41The only thing that's not bulletproof is the glass.

1:43The glass is optionally bulletproof.

1:44Oh, it is optional?

1:45If you want it, you can make anything bulletproof if you want.

1:48But the glass has to be very thick for it to be bulletproof.

1:52So it can't go up and down.

1:53So if you want to fix glass.

1:54Ah.

1:56Then how do you order drive-through?

1:57Yeah, exactly.

1:58Yeah, that's a problem.

1:59It's awkward.

2:00You gotta pull ahead, open the door, get out.

2:03But it's okay, you're stuck.

2:05Yeah, you're just stuck.

2:06How far away are you from full delivering to people?

2:12Has anybody gotten them yet?

2:14We planted out first deliveries next month.

2:17Oh, wow.

2:18So now it's just testing and fucking around?

2:23The hard part by far is manufacturing,

2:26not designing the car.

2:31And there's just not really a movie about that,

2:33but there should be.

2:35So in the movies, we'll always be about these sort of

2:41inventor who invented the car, and then the job is done.

2:45That's invented the object.

2:47Now the job is done.

2:48This is not true.

2:49That's the easy part.

2:51The hard part is manufacturing by far.

2:53Why is it so much harder than making an individual model?

3:07Well, in order to make it affordable, you have to make

3:10it at volume.

3:11So you've got to make everything at higher rate consistently.

3:20If you toured the production line, you'd have a sense for it.

3:25You've got to have all of the casting machines, all of the

3:29stabbing machines as the case may be, the glass machines,

3:32the wheels, the tires, everything required for the motor,

3:36the battery cells, all of the constituents, the battery

3:39cells, or the silicon that goes in there with the chips.

3:44The manufacturing is somewhere between 100 and 1,000 times harder than making a prototype.

3:51And then if you want to say like you want to get from once you reach volume manufacturing,

3:57which is insanely difficult, then you want to make the car affordable.

4:02it's harder to say reduce the cost of the car by 20% than it is to get to volume production

4:09in the first place.

4:12So I really cannot emphasize enough how hard production is relative to design.

4:19I'm not saying that design is trivial because you have to have taste and you have to know

4:24what to make.

4:26If you don't have a taste and judgment, then your prototype will be bad.

4:33But it is trivial really to churn out prototypes and it is extremely difficult to build a factory.

4:40And how much more difficult is it to make this considering the bodies made out of steel?

4:45It's very difficult.

4:49The difficulty of manufacturing is proportionate to the amount of new technology that you have

4:52in a car or in the product.

4:54In this case, there's a lot of new technology.

4:57The production line will move as fast as the slowest and least lucky and most bullish

5:05part of the entire production line.

5:06And you can say to first approximation, there are 10,000 things that have to go right, at

5:12least for production to work.

5:14So if you have 9,999 things that are working and one that isn't, that's at the production

5:20rate.

5:21Yeah.

5:22By far the hardware.

5:25In fact, the amazing thing about automobiles was not so much the invention of the automobile

5:34but the invention of the factory, the mass manufacturing.

5:38And for that Henry Ford deserves a tremendous amount of credit.

5:42He was next level genius.

5:44In fact, Ford is really responsible for the entire mass manufacturing industry because

5:49he actually got a Cadillac which was the heart of General Motors.

5:53Then he got kicked out and then started forward.

5:55Really?

5:56Yeah, and they weren't ever just copied him.

5:58Do you know he made one of his first cars out of hemp?

6:02Well, he used hemp fiber for the panels.

6:05OK.

6:06Yeah, and so there's a fascinating video of him bang on it with a hammer.

6:10Because hemp is bizarrely durable when it's compressed

6:13and when they take the fibers.

6:15And I don't know what kind of epoxy they use or something

6:17to put it all together.

6:19But what it makes with the actual physical form of it

6:22is insanely light, like fiberglass light,

6:25but very, very durable.

6:27See if you find the video.

6:28It's kind of crazy.

6:29Henry Ford is banging on when he was the hood of it,

6:33with a hammer.

6:34Yeah, it is.

6:35So this was like, look at that.

6:40Not crazy.

6:41That was well.

6:44I don't know why they stopped making a amount of that.

6:47That was from 1941.

6:50How much does the Cybertruck weigh?

6:54It depends on configuration, but it's about, I don't know,

6:567,000 pounds.

6:57Well, they're different versions, but 6, 6, 7,000 pounds.

7:01It's similar to heavy truck.

7:05Like a Ford F-250 or something like that.

7:08Yeah.

7:09And because of all of the metal and the weight and everything

7:15like that, but with the engines that you have,

7:18it's still the 0 to 60s, pretty bizarre, right?

7:20It's like three five or something like that?

7:23Well, I mean, get the zero to 60 below three seconds.

7:25Below three?

7:26Yes.

7:28Wow.

7:28For the beast mode version.

7:31So we've got a beast mode version.

7:32That's a.

7:36So there's this.

7:38Well, I don't want to give it all away right now,

7:41but there are three demonstrations.

7:45One of them people are aware of, which

7:46is emptying a Tommy gun into the side of the car, a shotgun,

7:5445 and a 9-mil, and no penetrations.

7:57Wow.

7:59And it comes that way from the factory.

8:01Can I try it with an arrow?

8:02Yeah, it'll be fine.

8:04You think so?

8:05I mean, a crossbow might.

8:08I have a 90-pound compound bow that shoots 520 grain arrows

8:13300 feet per second with a razor sharp broad head.

8:20We're trying right now if you want.

8:22I wish I had it with me.

8:24Is it at your house or something?

8:27Yeah.

8:28Should we send someone to go get it?

8:29No.

8:30We can do the demo tonight.

8:31That would be interesting.

8:32I'll drive back with an arrow sticking out of my car.

8:34I bet I could get in there.

8:35Okay, I'll bet you can't.

8:36Really?

8:37Yeah, I bet you don't.

8:38Damn.

8:39I'd like to see you.

8:41I think if you have a crossbow, that's with enough force,

8:46you might crossbow.

8:47The thing about a crossbow is the bolt,

8:49even though it's very fast, it's not going to be nearly as heavy.

8:52You won't have as many grains.

8:54You can make a heavy crossbow.

8:57You could.

8:58But generally, crossbow bolts are considerably lighter.

9:01They're much smaller.

9:03And they're much faster.

9:05They're moving at 400, 500 feet per second.

9:08Easy.

9:09Yeah.

9:10But the thing that matters is kind of the energy per unit area.

9:16So interesting, like a 9-mole or a 45, which is basically sort of a 10-mole, the 45 is

9:26roughly the same, but the 45 actually slightly worse penetration than a 9-mole.

9:30You know what I just realized?

9:31I do have some broad heads.

9:33I do have some broad heads, and I have a less powerful bow, but I have an 80-pound bow

9:38back there.

9:39I think we should do it.

9:40Absolutely.

9:41Okay.

9:42When you want to do it right now?

9:43Yeah, I can do it right now.

9:44Let's do it right now.

9:45Let's do it right now.

9:46Okay, let's do it.

9:47Sick.

9:48We'll read that.

9:49This could be funny.

9:50Well, I'm just like, well, I just have an arrow sticking out of his car.

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10:46Beware of ricochets.

11:06You might want to do it with a slight angle.

11:13That's impressive.

11:43Hey cutie.

11:50Thank you.

11:53Well now we know.

11:55So we just shot an arrow into it and it barely scratched it.

12:01scratch it. Yeah. It was probably moving 275 feet a second. That was a 525 grain

12:08ish arrow with yeah even more than that because it had the 125 grain head so

12:14that was 545 grains. That's impressive. Yeah. Very impressive. It just destroyed

12:21the broad head. The broad head flattened at the tip and then the arrow blew apart.

12:25Yeah, amazing.

12:27Yeah, it's like I said, you could, we have a cool video we'll show at the handover event next month,

12:34which is emptying an entire magazine of a tommy gun, which I think is like on the order of 50 rounds.

12:40You're just going full Al Capone, you know, like on the side of the car, shotgun, 9-mole, 45.

12:45And you built it like this just for fun.

12:47Well, I mean, is it cooler?

12:50I mean, because you can.

12:53You know, trucks are supposed to be tough, right?

12:56Yeah.

12:57So, is your truck bulletproof?

12:59No, mine's definitely not.

13:01Exactly.

13:02And if I shot mine with my boat, go right through it.

13:04One hundred percent.

13:05So, if you shoot any normal car, unlike in the movies, where people hide behind car doors,

13:11a car door is basically a very thin mild steel.

13:15So, if you shoot a gun at it through like a regular truck, it'll go through both doors.

13:22So you can't hide behind a corridor like they do in the movies.

13:29The way back in the day, dating myself with the A-Team, where they would be like, they'll

13:33be like, we'll just fly everywhere and they'll be hiding behind the corridor.

13:36Right.

13:37That doesn't work.

13:39But it does in the cyber truck.

13:41Was there ever a way?

13:42Is this best in apocalyptic technology?

13:44Yeah, well, I don't know.

13:46It's an amazing car to have in the apocalypse.

13:48Yeah, exactly.

13:49Does it still do this thing where the ride height raises?

13:53And there's also no regular drive train.

13:56So there's no axles that are the impediment to going over rocks and things like that.

14:01Yeah, normally in other vehicles, gasoline or diesel vehicles, you've got the differential,

14:07which hangs down low between the rear wheels.

14:11So you're like, look under a truck, there's almost always a differential there that's hanging

14:16down pretty low.

14:17If you hit the diff on a rock, you'll break it.

14:19Yeah.

14:20There's no, at the bottom of the side truck is completely flat and it has the best clear

14:25height of any vehicle.

14:27How far are we, if it's ever going to happen at all, from having a vehicle that can operate

14:32entirely on solar?

14:36Well you've got a surfshari thing.

14:39So it's about a kilowatt per square meter, normal to the sun roughly.

14:47So it really depends on what kind of mileage.

14:50You don't have enough surface area to keep the car going just from the car surface area.

14:56If you had something that folded out, you could make it self-sustaining.

15:02Something that folded out so you could park it and then leave it on.

15:06Yeah, you'd have to unfold the starting satellites to do where you unfold the solar panels.

15:13You just need more surface area.

15:16Is there any potential for an advancement in technology that would make a smaller area

15:22much better at conducting sun?

15:24No, it's a kilowatt per square meter.

15:29That's what you're going to get when the sun, if you're normal to the sun, so at 90

15:33degrees to the sun.

15:34And there's nothing that can accelerate that or no?

15:36That's just literally the solar energy.

15:38That's just it.

15:39Yeah, so then you multiply your efficiency by that.

15:40So if your commercial panel is like maybe $25,

15:44is that efficient if they're a good one?

15:46So you get like $250, watch the square meter.

15:49There was one car, what was it like a fisker

15:52that was using a solar panel that claimed

15:55that it was operating like the electronics,

15:57like it could start the radio.

15:59Yeah, yeah.

16:02I mean, you can definitely,

16:04it's just don't have enough service area for it.

16:07But you can certainly, you could run a house with a solar roof, and that Tesla solar roof,

16:18you can run a house.

16:21But it's never going to get to a point where you can just have a car that's made out of

16:23solar panels so they could drive around.

16:25It could never be that efficient.

16:27Correct.

16:28You can run and have enough space area.

16:30What research or what breakthroughs have been made in terms of battery technology?

16:36How far away are we from having batteries that are far more efficient and last far longer?

16:40I think there's some talk of like sodium based batteries.

16:48The battery range is not a problem at this point.

16:50I mean the Model S will go 400 miles, Model 3, Model Y will do over 300 miles.

16:58So you know that's more than most people need.

17:02So yeah.

17:04But are we, I mean, how far away are we

17:07from making batteries that are more efficient?

17:09This is like, we obviously have at least

17:11the limit of technology.

17:12What I'm saying is this is not really a constraint.

17:15The point of which you've got a car that can do,

17:17let's say even at high rates speeds,

17:21250 miles, or let's say 40 miles at 80 miles an hour.

17:28Now you're driving for three hours, straight.

17:32And so if you start a trip at, say, 9 a.m., by noon,

17:34you want to stop for lunch, go to the restroom, grab a coffee.

17:38By the time you come back, your car is charged.

17:40How long does it take to fully charge?

17:46They happen now.

17:46Well, you don't want to, people will get used to it

17:51because it's a little different.

17:52You know, like for a gasoline car,

17:55you'd want to fill it up.

17:56For an electric car, you'd want to actually go very close

18:00zero and the car can calculate how much range it has with precision. So if you pull up, say

18:07enter a road trip in a Tesla, it'll calculate all of the superchargers along the way, where

18:12you stop, how much you should charge and just let the computer do its thing and it'll work

18:17well. So you actually want to charge to about 80% and then run it down all the way to 10%

18:24or less. Do you want to do that on everyday use as well or just with long trips?

18:29No, it just looked long trips.

18:31If you're trying to minimize the amount of time you stop

18:34when charging.

18:37So let's say you want to stop for 20, 30 minutes, then

18:42you really, it's a little counterintuitive because for

18:47gasoline car you would fill it up.

18:48For a battery, the charge state tapers off as you get above

18:5380%.

18:54You can think of it like the right analogy here is cars

18:59in a parking lot.

19:01So the lithium ions are trying to find a parking space

19:05as they move across from one side of the battery

19:08to the other side from Cathot and Arnold.

19:11I mean, there's sort of these ions that are just bouncing

19:14around looking for a parking space.

19:16So when the parking lot's empty,

19:18your gabakers zip right in there and find a spot.

19:21It's easy.

19:23As the parking lot gets full, just like trying to find a parking space in a mall, you have

19:27to hunt around for a spot.

19:28And that's how, basically what's going on is the ions are looking for a parking spot.

19:34So as the battery gets closer to full, it's harder and harder despite a spot.

19:40They have to bounce around more.

19:41So it takes longer to get from 80 to 100.

19:44Correct.

19:45Getting from 80 to 100, it takes about as much time as getting from 0 to 80.

19:51think of the islands go to find a parking spot.

19:54And just like if you're in a mall and it's busy,

19:58then it takes longer to find a parking spot

20:00than it's empty.

20:01So essentially, you're satisfied with the technology

20:05that's available right now in terms of the amount of mileage

20:07that you get out of it and things on those lines.

20:11Yeah, range is not an issue.

20:13Cost is more of an issue.

20:15So just make the car affordable.

20:17A long-range car needs to be affordable.

20:19When you fully roll out, how many of those things,

20:23how many Cybertarks can you guys make a month?

20:29We're aiming to make about 200,000 a year at falling production.

20:34Wow.

20:36Maybe a little more.

20:37But I just can't emphasize enough that manufacturing

20:41is much, much harder than the initial design.

20:48You know, the Cybertruck was easy to design.

20:49I'm not trying to trivialize design.

20:51It's just what I'm trying to do is to emphasize the difficulty of manufacturing, which is not understood by the public.

20:58Because there's no movie about it.

21:01So there's lots of movies about the sort of wild inventory in the garage.

21:08But I'm not aware of any movie about manufacturing.

21:13Have you ever heard of a movie about manufacturing?

21:16I can't remember any Jamie any movie about my friend coming in my brain

21:20But I think I don't think that's what it's even about so I have no idea. What is that?

21:23Michael Keaton was making some cars in somewhere. I thought I was gonna look it up. I mean it's Tommy boy

21:30Really one it's about a great movie. It's a great movie. Yeah, that might be the only one

21:35That's interesting that it's such an immense part of

21:39American culture and also the decline of some American cities. I mean this famously

21:44I'm constantly documented in Roger and me,

21:47great documentary where he just talks about

21:50how Flint got destroyed when they pulled out

21:52the car manufacturing.

21:54Yeah, yeah.

21:55I mean, there's a reason why generally politicians

22:00really try very hard to get a factory in their area

22:03is because it's a massive generator of jobs.

22:05And for every factory job, there's like five,

22:08roughly five support jobs.

22:11like teachers, electricians, plumbers, liars, accountants, restaurants.

22:19So manufacturing is kind of like a nucleus from which many jobs spring.

22:26That's why it's generally a governor and prime ministers and presidents will try so

22:32hard to get a factory in their country or region.

22:36When you decided to build the gigafactory, and would you decide, well, just even when

22:41you decided to get involved with Tesla, did you have any idea of how difficult this would

22:45be?

22:46Did you have a preconceived notion?

22:47I thought it would be very difficult.

22:49I thought our probability of success was less than 10%.

22:53Well, yeah.

22:54I mean, it would be foolish to think anything else other than that.

22:58I mean, even at this point, the only car companies that have not gone bankrupt are

23:03Ford and Tesla, American car companies.

23:06You know, General Motors went bankrupt and Chrysler went bankrupt in 2009.

23:11There's some chance they'll go bankrupt again.

23:14Ford and Tesla barely made it.

23:17It was incredibly difficult to keep Tesla alive when General Motors and Chrysler were going bankrupt.

23:23So, because manufacturing is the actual hard thing, not by far the hard thing.

23:32I just can't emphasize that enough and I hope somebody makes a movie about that

23:36Maybe they should make a movie about Tesla

23:39Sure, why not? Yeah, perfect. Who would you want to play you? I don't care. How about David Spade?

23:46Anyone

23:50I do think that I just went back to Tommy boy. Yeah, I don't rocks

23:55So Jim Folly is the CEO of Ford and he's Chris Folly's cousin.

24:02No way.

24:03Wow.

24:04That's crazy.

24:05Yes.

24:06That's crazy.

24:07And they look, I mean they look, or related.

24:12Yeah, there should be a movie.

24:16Yeah.

24:17I just, you got to get someone good that doesn't fuck it up.

24:20Someone doesn't.

24:21Well, I mean, the things that writers are just disconnected

24:25from manufacturing, they just never see it.

24:28So.

24:29Right.

24:31And I guess you have to try to create some narrative

24:34awk.

24:37I mean, there are some shows like how it's made to everything.

24:41But they're pretty niche.

24:46But I know it's some of a broken record here.

24:48But I can't emphasize enough that it is insanely difficult

24:51manufacturer. Makes sense. Well it particularly makes sense when something

24:56that novel, something is but ultimately cool as fuck. What has it been like you've

25:07owned X for a year now? Oh yeah. Do you ever wake up at the middle of the night

25:13and have a dream that you didn't do it? Ideal life is infinitely easier. Well

25:19Well it's certainly a recipe for trouble I suppose, or contention.

25:28What was it ultimately that led you to make the decision to do it?

25:31I mean this is going to sound somewhat melodramatic but I was worried about that it was having

25:44a corrosive effect on civilization.

25:47That it was just having a bad impact.

25:53And I think part of it is that it's where it was located, which is, you know, downtown

26:00San Francisco.

26:03And while I think San Francisco is a beautiful city and which should really fight hard to

26:09kind of write the ship of San Francisco, if you've walked around downtown San Francisco

26:13right near the ex-FKA Twitter headquarters, it's a zombie apocalypse.

26:18I mean, it's rough.

26:20Have you been in that area?

26:22lately. No. I've heard. It's crazy. I've heard it's crazy. I've heard you really

26:27can't believe it until you actually go there. You can't believe it until you go

26:30there. So now you have to say well what philosophy led to that outcome and that

26:35philosophy was being piped to earth. So you know a philosophy that would be

26:42ordinarily quite niche and geographically constrained so that that sort of the

26:47fallout area would be limited.

26:51Whereas effectively given an information weapon,

26:58an information technology weapon, to propagate what is

27:02essentially a mind virus to the rest of Earth.

27:05And the outcome of that mind virus is very clear,

27:07if you walk around the streets of downtown San Francisco.

27:10It is the end of civilization.

27:13It's not just propagating the mind virus,

27:16but suppressing any opposing viewpoints.

27:19Yes, well, in order for the virus to propagate,

27:21it must suppress opposing both viewpoints.

27:24So.

27:25Because it doesn't stand up as scrutiny.

27:27Correct.

27:29Yeah.

27:30I mean, you've felt the virus.

27:33Yeah.

27:34Yeah.

27:35People will try to cancel you so many times.

27:37That's fascinating.

27:38Yeah.

27:39I don't think you're melodramatic at all.

27:41I think it's a, I mean, I don't wanna be melodramatic,

27:46but it's almost like a death cult.

27:48It's a death cult.

27:49No, no, that is exactly right.

27:51It's essentially the extinctionists.

27:57Like it's in the limit, it is that they're propagating

28:01the extinction of humanity and civilization.

28:05And there's some people who are,

28:06like most of the time it's implicit,

28:09don't explain it but sometimes it's explicit like those again the front page

28:13in the new york times

28:14uh... who

28:15it literally has the thing called the extinctionist movement

28:17uh... he was quoted on the front page in the new york times as saying

28:20uh... there are eight billion people on the world but it will be better if they

28:23were not

28:25and i'm like well but you can start with yourself

28:27yeah

28:28uh...

28:29does the f-friends that's what i was fascinated

28:32well period second

28:34he looks like you not long for this earth

28:37i mean isn't

28:38voluntary human extinction movement that's hilarious

28:41paper spent

28:42i'd like to party with that dude

28:44i would like to like that's that's that's that's that's that's that's that's

28:47an explicit version of the death cult

28:49yeah maybe you can live long and die out it's like i mean it's it's not

28:54the extinction is a word he uses yes

28:56no i mean

28:58it's not a but it's literally a self-description

29:01they cover it up with in charge of it's a social media yeah and still largely is

29:06at uh...

29:07google and facebook by the way

29:10so i'm like uh... i'm in not in favor of uh... human extinction

29:14uh... they are and uh...

29:16they go to hell

29:17well that guy is

29:19he got a help

29:20that guy seems silly

29:21i i would like to hang out with him though i would like to find out what makes

29:24him tick i bet that guy is fascinating

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32:46Well, if you get a moment for a few days, I'm a driver of...

32:49I'm pro-environment, but in the limit, if you go...

32:55If you take environmentalism to an extreme, you start to view humanity as a plague on

33:00the surface of the earth, like a mold or something.

33:05Right.

33:07But this is actually false.

33:09The Earth could take probably ten times the current civilization.

33:12The population could be, you could 10x the population without destroying the urban forest.

33:17So the environmental movement, and I'm an environmentalist, has gone too far.

33:24They've gone way too far.

33:25You know, if you start thinking that humans are bad, then the natural conclusion is humans

33:31should die out.

33:33Now, I'm headed to an AI safety, international sort of AI safety conference, latest night

33:39leaving in about three hours. And I don't meet with the British Prime Minister, a number

33:47of other people. So you have to say like, how could AI go wrong? Well, if AI gets programmed

33:54by the extinctionists, it will its utility function will be the extinction of humanity.

34:03Yeah, clearly. Yeah. I mean, particularly if-

34:06They won't even think it's bad like that guy.

34:08Right.

34:09Yeah.

34:10If you let it out, there's a lot of decisions that AI would make that would be very similar

34:14to eugenics.

34:15I mean, there would be some radical changes in what people are allowed to and not allowed

34:23to do that allow them to survive that may be detrimental in terms of pollution and things

34:27like that.

34:28But it may be the only solution they have in their area.

34:31I mean, maybe AI would come up with some sort of a different structure in terms of how

34:35how they get power and resources.

34:36But there's no shortage of power.

34:40Like we talked about solar power for cars,

34:42the issue is that cars just have a very low surface area.

34:46But you could actually power the entire United States

34:49with 100 miles by 100 miles of solar.

34:53Really?

34:53Yes.

34:55So you could just pick some dead spot that you fly over.

34:57Which they owe plenty.

34:58Cover that sucker up with solar panels

35:00and charge the whole country.

35:02Absolutely.

35:0224-7.

35:03You didn't batteries, but yes.

35:05Yeah.

35:07Wow.

35:08Yeah, it's not hard.

35:08I mean, meaning it's very feasible.

35:11In fact, I mean, the sun is converting over 4 million tons

35:16of mass to energy every second.

35:18And it's no maintenance.

35:20That thing just works.

35:21That we have a giant fusion reactor in the sky.

35:26That is the sun.

35:27In fact, people are like, sometimes they're like,

35:29well, what about radiation?

35:30I'm like, the sun is literally a nuclear reactor in the sky.

35:34Are you scared to go in daylight?

35:38Rocks of radiation.

35:39Yes.

35:40The radiation risk is greatly overestimated.

35:45You know?

35:46I always wonder why radiation is always bad in real life,

35:49but always awesome in comic books.

35:52Yeah, exactly.

35:53You'd forget when biorediocto is spider,

35:55and suddenly you have spider abilities.

35:56Get hit with gamma rays from the heart.

35:58Or if you're radioactive, cockroach,

35:59you'd be like the cockroach man.

36:01Yeah, you can be one of the X-men.

36:03Yeah.

36:04It's a, I think the problem is like most people

36:08understand what radiation is, and so it just sounds

36:11like a mysterious invisible death ray.

36:14Well, it's almost like drubs.

36:16Like we think of it, we put a blanket over it.

36:19Like it's all one thing.

36:20You know, radiation is Chernobyl.

36:22You know?

36:23All right.

36:23I mean, the thing is you can go to,

36:24you can actually torture a noble right now.

36:26So really?

36:27Yes.

36:28You can actually go to where the melt is.

36:29Well, I mean, there's war zone.

36:31But apart from that, the issue is, you know,

36:34more getting shot than it is.

36:37You don't have a radiation risk.

36:40The problem is I think when people

36:41don't understand what radiation is,

36:42they can't see it, they can't feel it,

36:44they think, well, I could just die at any moment

36:47from a magic death ray.

36:49I've had people say, oh, the radiation from their phone

36:52is going to hurt them or they're scared of the microwave.

36:54I'm like, would you say radiation?

36:56Do you mean particles of photons?

36:57And if you mean photons, what wavelength?

37:01And then I don't know what you mean.

37:02they don't know anything about that right they just have they're afraid of the

37:06term

37:07yes because a three mile island and focus she might we've been there was

37:11nobody died radiation from afro-pukshima

37:13from one person true in fact uh... but i was asked by people in california

37:18when for the she happened

37:20whether it that radiation would get to california and i think that's the

37:23dumbest thing i've ever heard

37:25uh... actually to help support japan i flew to focus shima

37:29and ate locally grown vegetables on TV.

37:33And I'm still alive.

37:34I have a friend, he's very smart,

37:36but he won't eat fish out of the Pacific

37:39because he's worried about the radiation from Fukushima.

37:42Yeah, that's irrational.

37:45There is no physics substance to that,

37:47I would say, at all, not even slightly.

37:50I'm gonna sign him this clip.

37:51Yes.

37:52Go back to the sushi place, bro.

37:54No, you should be.

37:56Okay.

37:56If you eat too much tuna, you're gonna have.

37:58Mercury. He is correct. Mercury poisoning from tuna is a real thing. You can get arsenic from sardines, too

38:03I found that out the hard way. Really? Yeah, it's too many sardines. Yeah, I got my blood work done and

38:09you have arsenic in your blood and I go with someone poisoning me. He goes, that's very very low level.

38:14It's like he's your girlfriend, I agree.

38:20And I said, yeah, he'd like three cans of sardines a night. That's a lot of sardines. Yeah, I love sardines.

38:25I mean, yeah, it's I love them

38:30Always love sardines. Okay. I love them but turns out like you can't eat too much of it because it's they they're not good for you

38:36Okay, yeah, I mean a little sardines once in a while, but not three cans a night

38:40Well for me

38:40It's like I come home late from the comedy club, but I want something easy to eat

38:43I don't want to open a can of some food so open up a few cans of sardines

38:47You know watch a little TV eat a few cans

38:50I get it every night.

38:53And then I stopped doing it and I got my blood worked on a couple months later.

38:55It was gone.

38:56Yeah.

38:57So I think I think I think entropy is really, really a pep up a Caesar salad.

39:01Yeah, they do.

39:02I'm a fan of anchovies as well.

39:05Yeah.

39:06One of my favorite pizzas ever is pineapple and anchovy.

39:08Okay.

39:09Double pineapple, double anchovy.

39:10Wow.

39:11It's amazing.

39:12It's sweet and salty and then you get the tomato sauce and the cheese.

39:16My favorite pizza.

39:18It's pretty good.

39:19I mean, as a kid, I was like very much against Hawaiian pizza.

39:22And as an adult, I like it.

39:24Hawaiian's good, but I'm telling you,

39:26anchovies and pineapple is the bomb diggity.

39:29That's the bomb diggity.

39:30That's the bomb diggity.

39:31That's the bomb diggity.

39:32Hey, wait, can we order some right now?

39:34Is that feasible?

39:35I bet we could.

39:36Okay, let's try it.

39:37Let's be sick.

39:38Yeah.

39:39I can do it like a...

39:40We'll have someone out there.

39:41Have Jeff order a very large pizza with double pineapple,

39:46double anchovies.

39:47Great.

39:48I'm hungry.

39:49Fuckin' go.

39:50Let's fucking go.

39:51Let's fucking go.

39:52There are a lot of you.

39:53No time like the present.

39:54Enjoy life.

39:55Well, there's gotta be a good spot around here.

39:57Tell me you.

39:58Tell me you're gonna be a good spot and tell them it's for us.

40:00They'll cook it up.

40:02If they want, if they want, if they want.

40:04Don't just want a pizza.

40:05Tell them we'll mention their name.

40:07Tell them we'll mention their name on the podcast.

40:10Don't tell them it's us.

40:12Yeah.

40:13Tell them it's us, fuck it.

40:15If they're gonna close, tell them we'll mention their name.

40:17What is this? What is this salty sauce that's so mysterious

40:29What is this salty tangy substance? Don't buy it from East Austin

40:35To buy from anyone who still wears a mask

40:41A lot of them out there. They're still masked up. It's wild. Yeah once in a while I see some fire right

40:46I'm like on the street. Yeah, I saw a guy on the street the other day just walking around the mask on my cocaine buddy

40:51You look like you're about 28 years old. Yeah, I think you're gonna be okay

40:55Okay, you're probably not gonna be okay breathing that fucking same air in that mask and all the bacteria are spitting out

41:01Yeah, it's attaching to that cloth. Yeah, it's it masks. I'm not like some magic health shield

41:09I mean there are times where you know a mask of warranted like if a surgeon is operating on you or ever then

41:16You know what the surgeon's spinning in your wound, you know.

41:18Oh, of course.

41:19But most of the time a mask is not good for you.

41:22And if you can breathe out of it, that means you can, you're breathing in.

41:27That means you're also exhaling.

41:30So like, how much is it filtering?

41:32Like what is it, what is particles?

41:34It's like a mask is much like sort of a shield in battle in that, you know, it'll help

41:40protect you a little bit from arrows and stuff, but it doesn't make you arrow grove.

41:44We're just talking about your shootin' arrows.

41:46Right, this is a search.

41:48I mean, at times when masks are warranted,

41:50but most of the time it's actually counterproductive.

41:53Well, that was one of the things about the old Twitter

41:56was the propaganda and the adherence

42:01to whatever the CDC was saying

42:04and the dismissing of legitimate scientists,

42:08guys like Jay Bhattacharya from Stanford and legit guys.

42:13Yes. And they were suppressing them and even banning them. They banned Alex Baronson. I mean,

42:18this is it was wild. They banned Alex for essentially reading peer reviewed papers.

42:25Yeah. I mean, all Twitter was basically an arm of the government.

42:29Yeah. So was that shocking? Like, what was that like? Because that to me, that was the most bizarre,

42:36was the Twitter files when you let Shellenberger and Matt Taibbi and all those guys

42:40get in the tweet and the response where

42:42matt i e b gets audited

42:45i mean which is just wild

42:46i mean it's just so blatant so in your face that's weird

42:51now

42:51i mean

42:54the rear the the rear which and and but by the jack didn't really know

42:58no this but the degree which twitter was simply

43:01an arm of the government was not

43:04well understood by the public

43:06and uh... it it was there was no

43:08it was whatever the official go and it was like proveda basically

43:11uh... you know it's a state publication

43:13is the way to think of all two of us a state publication

43:17and was the justification from their perspective that they are

43:21progressive liberals they have the right intentions it's important that they

43:26stay in power the progressive liberals stay in government and power

43:29because this is the this is their

43:32there was there was

43:33uh... is

43:35basically oppression of

43:36any views that would even, I would say, be considered middle of the road.

43:42But certainly anything on the right, I'm not talking about like far right,

43:48I'm just talking mildly right.

43:49The people, like Republicans were suppressed at 10 times the rate of Democrats.

43:54Now, that's because Alt-Twitter was fundamentally controlled by the far left.

44:00It was like completely controlled by the far left.

44:03And that's why I say like, like San Francisco, Berkeley is a niche ideology.

44:09It's hard to say like, is there a place that's more far left than San Francisco, Berkeley?

44:14Maybe Portland.

44:15Maybe Portland.

44:16But it's like it's a kind of, yeah, like it's those two places are the most far left places

44:22in America.

44:23Yes.

44:24So from their standpoint, everything is to the right, including moderates.

44:31Right, right.

44:32So if you internalize a fall-left position, everything seems wrong to you that is not

44:42far-left.

44:43And so they naturally oppressed anything that didn't agree with their views.

44:49That's why I say that it was an accidental far-left information weapon.

44:58Because it's like Silicon Valley attracts the smartest engineers, the smartest sort of

45:03technologists and programmers from around the world.

45:07They created an information weapon that was then harnessed by the far left, who could

45:12not themselves create the weapon, but happened to be co-located where the technologists were.

45:17It happened to be aligned politically with the people that possessed it.

45:21The technologists generally are moderate, maybe moderate left, but they're not far left.

45:28That's why I say San Francisco, Berkeley, it doesn't even extend to South San Francisco

45:34or even to Palo Alto.

45:36So SF Berkeley is the most far left, perhaps in a competition with Portland, but I'd say

45:44SF Berkeley is more far left even than Portland.

45:48Like literally in America, we're talking about an area that's maybe a 10-mile radius.

45:55And so the normally the effects, the negative effects of a far left ideology that would

46:01be geographically limited to a 10 mile radius.

46:05That's like not, it's small, like so, so any bad effects of that ideology would be

46:11geographically constrained under normal circumstances and have been in the past.

46:16But when you have basically a technological megaphone, which was Twitter and social media

46:24in general, suddenly the far left are handed a megaphone

46:29to Earth, an incredibly powerful technology weapon

46:35that they themselves could not create,

46:37but they happen to be collocated with the technologists

46:40who created it by accident.

46:46Is it shocking that more people don't understand

46:48how dangerous that is?

46:51I think some people understand.

46:54Some people do.

46:55Some people understand.

46:57So from the standpoint of some people who used to be a Twitter,

47:01the people were like, well, it's a big shift to the right.

47:04That is correct.

47:04It is a shift to the right because everything

47:06is to the right if you're a far left.

47:08Everything is to the right.

47:11But how many far left people have actually been suspended

47:14or banned from Twitter now x, 0?

47:20So it's really just moved to the center.

47:22But from the perspective of the far left,

47:25it's moved to the right.

47:27It's just like everything's relative.

47:29the

47:30the the

47:32difference in moderation so it's probably propagated that fall at philosophy

47:36not just to america

47:37but everywhere on earth right

47:41yeah

47:42and with the same level suppression of the country's as well yes

47:46but the Taliban is on twitter

47:49right

47:52like i always think of like

47:54hey mister taliban telling you but i'm

47:59a mister time i mean there but there's definitely some people on twitter that are

48:03they like comment on

48:07yeah so

48:09the point at the point is uh...

48:12i'd that i have for my standpoint

48:14that is that

48:16acts fk twitter

48:19uh... represent this sort of

48:22collective consciousness of humanity

48:25So now that means that there are going to be views on there that you don't like or disagree with.

48:36But that's humanity.

48:38So are you going to exclude them or not?

48:40Now, I mean, if somebody breaks the law, then the account is suspended.

48:46I mean, if they actively advocate murder, then the account is suspended.

48:51We do have what we call the United Nations exclusion rule, which is that you can have

48:57say, the Ayatollah, who, you know, would prefer that Israel didn't exist, for example.

49:09And but he's a lot of go to the UN building in New York.

49:15And in fact, generally officials from Iran do in fact go to the UN building in New York,

49:21even though there are heavily sanctioned country.

49:24So I think that there's merit to having, just like there's merit, there's some merit to the

49:32UN, one can disagree with the UN and I think one, we shouldn't have a wolf government that

49:36we bow down to.

49:37But in fact, that's risky for civilization.

49:40But I think you do want to have the leaders of countries represented on social media.

49:47You want to hear what they have to say, even if you, what they say is terrible.

49:51But I think that is true across the board.

49:53And I think one of the things you just said that's very important is that's humanity.

49:57And I think it's important that a social media platform, especially the biggest one, represents

50:04humanity.

50:05So we understand what we're talking about because we have this distorted idea of what

50:10people think and want and need because everyone only exists inside this ideological bubble.

50:14And anything outside of that bubble gets censored, then that changes, literally changes the tone

50:20of the entire country.

50:22changes what people think is okay and not okay makes people feel differently. It's not humanity. It's different. It's a very

50:29forced version of humanity. Yes, absolutely. Yeah, so

50:35I mean the whole point of free speech the only free speech is only relevant the first amendment is only relevant

50:42If you allow people you don't like to say things you don't like

50:47because if you like it, you don't need a First Amendment.

50:52So the whole point of free speech is that frankly even people you hate say things you hate,

51:00because if people you hate can say things that you hate.

51:04That means that they can't stop you from saying what you want to say, which is very, very important.

51:10Right, but the problem with Twitter was it was not the case.

51:13Correct.

51:14It was people that you hate couldn't say.

51:18Anyone they didn't like, they said something.

51:20Or what's called deamplify.

51:22Well, not just deamplify, but under the behest of the government,

51:26would suppress real news, which was very bizarre.

51:29So they were very aware of something being accurate,

51:34and they still suppressed it because the government wanted them to suppress it.

51:38In my view, there have been severe First Amendment violations by multiple government agencies.

51:43And there should be repercussions for that.

51:45And is it a different laws apply because it's a privately owned social media company?

51:52I mean, what laws do apply in terms of like, when you're looking at it,

51:58one of the arguments that the leftists would use is it's a private company,

52:02they could do whatever they want.

52:03Yeah, it's funny that when the shoes on the other foot, they now say the private company can't do whatever it wants.

52:08Well, yeah, now they're upset.

52:11No, it's like, but the government itself is not allowed to censor speech.

52:19But in my view, the government de facto did censor speech, and there should at least be

52:25a case that is heard by the public.

52:29Because if the government severely coerces a platform, it sort of coerces the press,

52:40And I think that is, it should be a first amendment violation.

52:44Well, they can't do it with other media forms, right?

52:48They're not allowed to do it with any other, they're not allowed to do that with a newspaper

52:53that can trouble.

52:54Right.

52:55Well, good day.

52:56You know, that's the question.

52:58It's like, you didn't know about the federal government, you didn't know about the intelligence

53:03agencies inside of Twitter until we found out.

53:06Like, do you think that this is ubiquitous?

53:08It's absolutely all the social media companies. In fact, right now, ex or, you know, formerly

53:14on Twitter is the only one that is not cowtowing to the government. It's the only one. There

53:22isn't all the others just do exactly what the government wants.

53:26That's wild.

53:27Yes.

53:28What I was getting at, do you think that that's everywhere?

53:30Yes.

53:31Do you think that that's CNN? Do you think that that's the New York Times? Do you think

53:33that that's the Washington Post. Because if they were going to infiltrate media, they're

53:39going to infiltrate social media. It is weird the degree to which the media is in lockstep.

53:46Like why is the media in lockstep? And why doesn't the media question the government?

53:50They used to. Why don't they do that anymore? Seems weird. Something doesn't add up. Well

53:57there seems like there's a bunch of factors. I think one of the big factors is pharmaceutical

54:02drug companies allowed to advertise on television.

54:05And we're one of two countries in the world that allow that.

54:08I actually agree with pharmaceutical advertising

54:09provided it's truthful.

54:11Because there could be some drug that is helpful to someone.

54:14But obviously the claims need to be accurate.

54:18So I actually think pharmaceutical advertising,

54:20if it is accurate, I think it actually

54:24play devil's advocate here.

54:25I think pharmaceutical advertising is generally accurate.

54:28I think that's actually okay.

54:32Now, I should say that a lot of the censorship that we see is coming from, indirectly from

54:41advertisers and advertising agencies and from PR companies who want a particular viewpoint

54:48pushed or are being driven by nonprofits to push a particular, what will happen is there's

54:57there'll be a group of nonprofits that push advertisers to advertise or not advertise

55:06on a particular platform.

55:09One often he has the George Soros-booking man.

55:12I mean, Soros actually, he is, I believe, the talk contributor to the Democratic Party.

55:19The second one was Sam Backward Free.

55:25And Saurus, I don't know, I mean, he had a very difficult upbringing.

55:31And in my opinion, he fundamentally hates humanity.

55:36That's my opinion.

55:38Really?

55:39Yeah.

55:40I mean, well, he's doing things that erode the fabric of civilization, you know, getting

55:44DA's elected who refused to prosecute crime.

55:46That's part of the problem in San Francisco and LA and much other cities.

55:52So why would you do that?

55:55Was it humanity?

55:56is it just the united states as a whole

55:59meaning to a certain other countries to

56:01much of the same thing

56:03now

56:04george at this point is

56:07pretty old and he's not

56:09uh...

56:11he's basically a but seen at this point but i mean he

56:15he would be and he's he's he's very smart um...

56:18and he's very good at arbitrage

56:20in a famously he uh... shorter the bridge pound

56:23That's sort of how I think he made his first money

56:28was shorting the pound.

56:29So he's good at spotting, basically arbitrage

56:33like spotting, value for money that other people don't see.

56:36So one of the things he noticed was that the value for money

56:41in local races is much higher than it is in national races.

56:47So the lowest value for money is a presidential race.

56:49Then next lowest value for money is a Senate race,

56:52than a congress and then but once you get to sort of

56:56city and state district attorneys

56:59the value of money is extremely good

57:02and

57:03as our s realize that you don't actually need to change the laws you just need

57:06change how they're enforced

57:08if nobody choose to enforce the law or the laws are differentially enforced it's

57:12like changing laws

57:15that's what it's what you figured out but it's what's not a rush that this

57:18trend that people haven't pulled the breaks on this and have it reverse course.

57:24Never pulled on the breaks?

57:27Yeah.

57:28Yeah.

57:29Pull the breaks right now.

57:30Yeah, you are.

57:31But you might be the only one.

57:34Well, I think more people should.

57:40Most people just don't want to rock the boat.

57:44Most people are looking for acceptance from society and they're, you know, if there's some

57:49negative press article that like shattered. I couldn't give it now. Good.

57:54Make my day. Well it's fascinating where if you're a high profile public figure

58:02like yourself, there's no, it's impossible to make everybody happy. So

58:06there's going to be someone who said something shitty about you. Yeah. Somehow

58:11or another one that's in print. Does that mean more? Because other people are

58:14going to see this shitty thing? Well, I guess where it gets odd. Because essentially,

58:21article in The New York Times is just a single person's opinion and who whatever

58:25ever gets involved. It's just a lot of people will read that. I mean, less people

58:30at least. But I think people know that now. People know that. I've been

58:34New York Times these days to be hard to read. Well, unfortunately, they make some

58:39grave errors. Yeah. Like that Hamas bombing the the the no the I mean Israeli bombing the

58:49hospital. Check piece. Yes. It's delicious. I mean that I think there's a cut off chick

58:55VA exports that'll that'll bring them to the knees right away. Hmm.

59:00Pretty do take a trip and dip it in nothing. Well we need to just introduce them to pineapple

59:05in the intro of pizza. I hope that's coming. Did we have a pizza name like a company? I'll

59:14get some information. I want to make this real. Pizza Leone. Oh, that's legit. Pretty

59:18close. Okay. There we go. Nice. Did they give us a timeline? It shouldn't take too long.

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1:02:17You know, that's something like after I say I've got a letter

1:02:20of respect for somebody's like willing to make pizza late

1:02:22at night.

1:02:22Yeah.

1:02:23My hat is awful.

1:02:24I mean, that is like great.

1:02:26Absolutely.

1:02:28Late night food.

1:02:29I appreciate the fun.

1:02:30If you can get a really good late night meal,

1:02:32hats off or wigs off.

1:02:34I'm upset.

1:02:35Yeah, I'm a giant fan of very good late night food.

1:02:38And that's one of the things that like Los Angeles really

1:02:40used to have.

1:02:41They had a Pacific dining cart where

1:02:43you can get a legit steak 24 hours a day.

1:02:45Really?

1:02:46Yeah, I don't know if it's still open in downtown LA.

1:02:48I believe the one in Santa Monica closed,

1:02:51but a Pacific dining car in downtown LA was a legit steakhouse.

1:02:56And we would leave the comedy store,

1:02:58two, three in the morning, get a legit steak.

1:03:01That's cool.

1:03:02Just a little bit.

1:03:03temporarily closed.

1:03:04Fucking COVID got him.

1:03:06COVID just took out so many restaurants.

1:03:08It's crazy.

1:03:08It's not coming back.

1:03:09Other websites seems to be down too.

1:03:11Yeah, they're not coming back.

1:03:12motherfucker. COVID got 70% of the restaurants in LA at one point.

1:03:16Wow. Not COVID, I should say. Policies. Well,

1:03:20locked down. The mind virus. I mean, it's like just crazy.

1:03:24Yeah. Well, that's why I moved here. One of the reasons why I moved here is we came

1:03:28here in May of 2020 and you could go indoors and eat in restaurants.

1:03:32And yeah, and my kids who are pretty young at the time, 10 and 12,

1:03:35they were like, we want to live here.

1:03:37Yeah. This is like they're freaked out. Like LA was weird.

1:03:40Yeah, I mean for most of COVID I was actually in South Texas building this this

1:03:44Starship factory and

1:03:47You know we're just you had no masks. No nothing just building factory building rockets and then you know that

1:03:54you have teams from California visit old messed up and

1:03:58That freak out that we're not masks and we're like we're still alive man. Yeah, so

1:04:05Did you lose anybody did anybody from your factory die of COVID?

1:04:08Not that I'm aware of now.

1:04:11So part of it is that I saw a dress rehearsal, which is that I kind of started in Wuhan.

1:04:21And so Tesla's got 20,000 employees in China.

1:04:27And so the first wave happened in China, and nobody died or got seriously ill.

1:04:33I was like, okay, well, this is, you know, can't be that bad.

1:04:38And we're not relying on government statistics.

1:04:40We literally know who should offer work, you know?

1:04:42Right.

1:04:43Did they bad, did they badge in or not?

1:04:47And we had no one die and no one got seriously ill.

1:04:51So I'm like, well, I don't know what the big deal is.

1:04:54Well, there's a problem that people still want to stick

1:04:57to this initial narrative that they believed

1:05:01and that they espoused.

1:05:02like they repeated it. And so they'll still fight you on this today. People still fight

1:05:09you today on the merits of the lockdowns, the importance of vaccine mandates, closing

1:05:14schools. There's people that stated an opinion in 2020, and they still are doing mental gymnastics

1:05:22to try to make it seem like that was the right choice.

1:05:25No, it was just a panic. Yeah. And a lot of deaths got described to COVID that had nothing

1:05:30do with COVID. And in fact, I'd say in the beginning, the cure is worse than the disease.

1:05:36So, of course, people panic too much. And so that somebody would get diagnosed with COVID,

1:05:42they put them on an intubated vent later for a week. And this is going to basically cook your lungs.

1:05:48So if you're on purer to under pressure with a tube stuck down your throat and unranesthetic,

1:05:56This is very bad for you.

1:05:58Like it's one thing if you do that for a couple hours

1:06:00for an operation, but you do that for a week.

1:06:03It's going to roast your lungs.

1:06:05Like the air that we're breathing right now is 78% nitrogen,

1:06:091% argon, about 21% oxygen, and it's so miscellaneous.

1:06:14So if you ask what are you breathing this oxygen,

1:06:16now you're breathing nitrogen.

1:06:19Only about a fifth of it is oxygen.

1:06:22And this about 100% argon.

1:06:25So, now I know quite a lot about life support systems,

1:06:28because we make spaceships.

1:06:29And you have to keep people alive in a vacuum.

1:06:32So you got to say, OK, what percentage,

1:06:34nitrogen, what percentage of oxygen you're going to do,

1:06:35what's the pressure going to be.

1:06:38And so, like sea level pressure is about 15 pounds per

1:06:41square inch.

1:06:43And the partial pressure of oxygen being 20% is therefore

1:06:48roughly 3 pounds per square inch of oxygen.

1:06:51So in a spacecraft, you want to, and especially if you're

1:06:55you're in a space suit, you want to lower the pressure.

1:06:58So you want to keep the oxygen, still get people

1:07:00enough oxygen to function, obviously,

1:07:02but you want to lower the nitrogen content

1:07:04so that you don't have a space suit that's at 15 PSI.

1:07:08Because at 15 PSI, you just pop out like a balloon.

1:07:13It's hard to move.

1:07:14Ah.

1:07:15So you want to try to lower the pressure down

1:07:19around six, seven psi, maybe even five psi.

1:07:26So you'd lower it to, you know, try to keep the oxygen,

1:07:29partial pressure of oxygen roughly the same,

1:07:31so maybe around three psi, and then three psi of nitrogen.

1:07:34So you've got 50, 50 mix of nitrogen and oxygen.

1:07:37And then you think it's getting pretty hot into that week.

1:07:40Yeah, it's getting hot.

1:07:42I made it a while.

1:07:43I just felt like getting hot so I took it.

1:07:44I'm sweating.

1:07:46I mean, it's gonna be sweaty and itchy.

1:07:48A little bit.

1:07:49I can't believe people wear them all day.

1:07:52So anyway, I know a thing or two about keeping people alive

1:07:56in a vacuum.

1:07:58So we designed the life support system

1:08:03for keeping humans alive in a vacuum of space,

1:08:06which is very difficult.

1:08:07So we know quite a lot about what it takes to keep people alive.

1:08:11So you do not want to be people 100% oxygen.

1:08:16It's actually for an extended period of time.

1:08:18This is not good for you.

1:08:19Well 80% of the people they put up ventilators died.

1:08:22Yeah, so in fact I actually posted about that because I called doctors in

1:08:29Wuhan and said what are the biggest mistakes that you made in the first wave?

1:08:32Those were early on and they said we put far too many people on

1:08:35intubated ventilators.

1:08:36So then I actually posted on Twitter at the time and said,

1:08:39hey, what I'm hearing from Wuhan is that they made a big mistake in putting

1:08:44people on intubated ventilators for an extended period.

1:08:47uh... and that this this is actually what is damaging the lungs not covid it's

1:08:51the treatment is the cure is worse than the disease

1:08:54and they've got to be a lot of the incident not a doctor i'm like yeah but

1:08:57i do make space for life sports systems what do you do

1:09:02like that i'd put on us like a good rate

1:09:04yeah rock on

1:09:06well again it was there was this very bizarre narrative

1:09:10that you had to believe everything the government was telling you you had to

1:09:14I believe everything the CDC was telling you,

1:09:16and that even as time went on,

1:09:20and we realized, hey, it looks like this

1:09:21came from a fucking lab.

1:09:23Like, even as time went on,

1:09:25disputing that would get you banned,

1:09:27it would get you kicked off of YouTube.

1:09:29I think to this day,

1:09:31there's certain things you're not allowed to say,

1:09:33in regards to the vaccine on YouTube.

1:09:37As I said, the only media that does not have crazy censorship

1:09:42at this point is X, that I'm aware of.

1:09:45Everyone else, either, everything else is censored.

1:09:49Spotify isn't.

1:09:50That's why this can, I've never discovered.

1:09:53Daniel acts the man.

1:09:54Yeah, he's great.

1:09:55I love that dude.

1:09:56And I think more companies should follow suit.

1:09:59I don't think it has to be this way.

1:10:00Fortunately for us, they're in Sweden,

1:10:04and Stockholm, Sweden, they have a very different perspective.

1:10:06You got a syndrome.

1:10:07On all this shit.

1:10:08Yeah, what was wild about nitrogen is that, like, that's mostly the nitrogen from fertilizer.

1:10:15We suck out of the air.

1:10:16Sorry, what do you mean?

1:10:18Most of the nitrogen for fertilizer, we suck out of the air.

1:10:21Yeah, yeah, yeah.

1:10:22One of the, actually, the big inventions in chemistry was binding nitrogen.

1:10:28Nitrogen is actually fairly inert, so it's quite hard to actually pull nitrogen out of

1:10:34and bind it into ammonia.

1:10:37Like basically the process for creating ammonia

1:10:39was actually a very important thing.

1:10:40The Haber method.

1:10:41Yeah.

1:10:41Fritz Haber.

1:10:42Same guy who invented cyclone gas.

1:10:46But it was actually very important

1:10:49to bind nitrogen from the air to fertilizer.

1:10:53So that actually was, frankly, as a life-saving invention

1:11:01at scale because you just run out of nitrogen.

1:11:06So like, like, not nitrogen, pure nitrogen is a low energy state.

1:11:12So to try to bind it into fertilizer is, requires light energy to do that.

1:11:16It's quite tricky.

1:11:17So that was a very important breakthrough.

1:11:20Yeah, I read that 50% of the nitrogen in most people's body comes from that method.

1:11:2550% of the nitrogen in most people's body that they've consumed from food.

1:11:32Oh yeah, yeah, because of the federal life.

1:11:35Yeah, because of that problem.

1:11:36That might be true.

1:11:39It was a fundamental problem for most of the civilization is how you get nitrogen for

1:11:45the plants.

1:11:46The limiting factor, in fact, even in the rainforest is like the nitrogen is bound nitrogen.

1:11:53What are the when you do eventually colonize Mars?

1:11:57What's the idea in terms of terraforming?

1:12:00Is it contained ecosystems that were under domes?

1:12:05Like what are you planning on doing to make it habitable?

1:12:10Well, at first you would have to have a life support system

1:12:14because Mars has a low density atmosphere, only about 1%

1:12:18the density of Earth, and it's primarily CO2.

1:12:22Now over time, you can terraform Mars.

1:12:25Terraform means to make it like Earth, essentially.

1:12:29And if you warm Mars up, there's a bunch of frozen CO2

1:12:33that will evaporate densify the atmosphere.

1:12:36And you'd actually want kind of global warming on Mars.

1:12:40Because Mars is about 50% further away from the sun

1:12:43than the Earth.

1:12:45So it gives about less than a half the solar energy

1:12:47that Earth does.

1:12:48And it's believed at one point in time,

1:12:50Mars had a much different environment, right?

1:12:54It appears highly likely that Mars had liquid oceans.

1:12:58I'll be at a long time ago.

1:13:00And do.

1:13:01There's a lot of ice.

1:13:02So this Mars is covered in ice.

1:13:07And now the ice is then covered in dust

1:13:09for the most, mostly except at the poles.

1:13:11So there's a lot of ice.

1:13:13In fact, I believe if Mars was warmed up,

1:13:15you'd have an ocean about a mile deep on 40% of the planet.

1:13:21So it's quite a lot of water.

1:13:23And do we think that it was like that at one point in time?

1:13:26The evidence suggests that it is most likely

1:13:29that Mars had liquid water.

1:13:31What's the prevailing theory of its demise?

1:13:35Well, just over time the solar system cooled.

1:13:37So Earth used to be much like,

1:13:39in the very early Earth was like molten rock.

1:13:42So really almost nothing could survive in the beginning.

1:13:46We were just a wall of lava.

1:13:48We're still mostly a wall of lava.

1:13:51We're like creme brulee.

1:13:52Like there's a thin crust.

1:13:54And it's mushy rock under, super very hot mushy rock underneath.

1:14:01And technically that rock is in a semi-solid state,

1:14:03but as soon as it gets to a low pressure,

1:14:05like pops out of the ocean, you have a volcano, obviously,

1:14:08with lava.

1:14:09So it's at service ambient pressure,

1:14:15we were basically covered in liquid rock.

1:14:17Are you aware of that?

1:14:17There was a thin crust on liquid rock.

1:14:20Are you aware of the origin myth of the Dogen tribe?

1:14:24There's a tribe in, I believe it's a tribe in,

1:14:26I forget what part of Africa,

1:14:28but they believe that they came from Mars

1:14:31and that there was a civilization that left Mars

1:14:36many, many eons ago.

1:14:37And it's a really weird theory, because they know some things about Mars.

1:14:47Yeah, I'm pretty sure they didn't come from Mars.

1:14:50Oh yeah, I'm pretty sure too.

1:14:52Do they have any spaceships?

1:14:54If they don't have any spaceships, then I don't believe it.

1:14:56Well, if they give you a spaceship, I'll believe it.

1:14:58If you parked a spaceship, how many thousands of years?

1:15:01You've parked a metal spaceship.

1:15:03Like if you left a cyber truck in the desert, how many thousands of years do you think

1:15:08it would be there for?

1:15:10For it's gone.

1:15:11If it got buried in dirt, it would find it even like a million years from now.

1:15:14A million.

1:15:15Yeah.

1:15:16Wow.

1:15:17Really?

1:15:18Well, what you'd find is...

1:15:19Because it's stainless steel.

1:15:21So it'd have to be some sort of an alloy.

1:15:24It's kind of like...

1:15:26But iron wouldn't, right?

1:15:27Yeah, but you'd have something similar to like fossils, basically.

1:15:32Like the fossils, they essentially discolor the rock.

1:15:37So eventually, whatever the fossil is,

1:15:39and sometimes the fossils like an amber or something like that,

1:15:42that's where it does survive more or less intact.

1:15:45But I mean, there's fossilized,

1:15:47like dinosaur fossils and tree fossils.

1:15:50That's essentially re-mineralized, right?

1:15:53Yeah.

1:15:55So you'd see it like a cybertruck shape in the rock, basically.

1:15:58Wow.

1:15:59Yeah, but that's it.

1:16:01you wouldn't find the actual cyber truck

1:16:04uh...

1:16:05so if they did have a spaceship

1:16:07and it came here

1:16:08thirty thousand years ago

1:16:10oh yeah we're definitely find it evidence

1:16:14well not even if it was one spaceship

1:16:17maybe not but if it was a lot of them sure that is the origin method of dog on

1:16:21tribe right in my dinner right more specifically it's a hidden star and

1:16:25a serious

1:16:26oh somewhere else

1:16:29cannot be serious.

1:16:31So here's sex, Sam.

1:16:35It's just very strange when people have this bizarre origin myth.

1:16:41Like, I wonder who was the first one to tell them they came from stars.

1:16:46And when we eventually do, I mean, how bizarre, imagine if you're successful, we eventually

1:16:54do colonized Mars and you're correct.

1:16:57Earth winds up through human folly or natural disaster

1:17:03Getting wiped out and there's only the colony on Mars and that colony exists for 10

1:17:0920,000 years and they have their origin myth that we all came from Earth I

1:17:15Mean ultimately that's going if if this does happen you do colonize

1:17:19Mars and Earth does get destroyed and if there a period of time takes place like look at the the period like at least the conventional

1:17:26time line of the Great Pyramid, which is 4,500 years ago.

1:17:315,000 years ago.

1:17:32Yeah.

1:17:33So that's not that much time.

1:17:35Not that much time.

1:17:36No, I mean if-

1:17:37It's nothing on the galactic timescale.

1:17:38Right.

1:17:39So if we're talking 20,000, 38,000 years from now on Mars, and people talk about Timesquare

1:17:46and what Earth you still like.

1:17:49I mean, it is, I think the sum of the latest, like how do you say what the- when the civilizations

1:17:55start. And I'd say probably from the first writing. And the first writing is only 5,500

1:18:04years old. It's worth reading about the history of writing, but only 5,500 years. And one has

1:18:12to credit basically the entrance to Marian to run around anymore with the first writing.

1:18:17Are you aware though that there's hieroglyphs that depict a history of Egypt that goes back

1:18:24far longer, maybe even 30,000 plus years ago. But archaeologists dismiss it because they

1:18:29think that's mythical. But non-conventional archaeologists who believe in what's called

1:18:35the Younger Dryas Impact Theory, and that somewhere around 11,800 years ago, civilizations

1:18:41essentially all but wiped out by common impacts.

1:18:45Okay, and that that is the reason why they keep finding these in insanely old

1:18:53Huge structures

1:18:54Megalithic structures that are carved out of stone like when you go to back to like go backly tepate which is 11,600 years ago

1:19:01Okay, that's that's an insanely old

1:19:04Structure that they didn't even know people were capable of building until they discovered it in the 1990s

1:19:10so the conventional timeline of

1:19:13of people, when you go to 11,600 years ago,

1:19:16it was just 100 gatherers.

1:19:17But now that they have Gobekli Tepi

1:19:19with its 3D carved things,

1:19:22and have you seen Graham Hancock's amazing series

1:19:25on Netflix called Ancient Apocalypse?

1:19:28I know.

1:19:29You should check it out, it's amazing.

1:19:31But it's about that.

1:19:32It's all about that there's a lot of physical evidence

1:19:34of an advanced civilization from far, far, far longer ago

1:19:39a longer ago than we have conventional data,

1:19:42which is ancient Sumer, which we put it

1:19:45about 6,000 years ago.

1:19:47Yeah, like the first, it's a several of the data

1:19:50with precision, but at least within a few hundred years,

1:19:52but roughly 5,500 years, like you say,

1:19:55what is the oldest stone tablet?

1:19:58Yeah.

1:19:59Because this is, if you're an archeologist,

1:20:03if you were to discover something older than that,

1:20:04you'd be very famous.

1:20:06like they really looked hard. And 5,500 years really is kind of the if you

1:20:15feel like any kind of evidence that I've seen that is actually substantial is

1:20:21writing is 5,500 years old. Yeah, in terms of writing, yeah. Well what they believe

1:20:26is that there's very little left of this ancient civilization other than things

1:20:31like the pyramids, other than things like the Sphinx. There's a geologist, they're

1:20:36really stuck his neck out. His name is Dr. Robert Shock from Boston University. And what

1:20:40he said was his theory is that there's deep water erosion all over the temple of the Sphinx,

1:20:46where the Sphinx was carved out of that is indicative of thousands of years of rainfall.

1:20:51And the last time they had rainfall in the Nile Valley was around 9000 BC. So what

1:20:56he believes is because back then the whole Nile Valley was a lush rainforest and eventually

1:21:01receded into desert.

1:21:03Okay.

1:21:04Yeah.

1:21:05So the entire, that whole area, like given the Sahara, used to be rich rainforest and

1:21:10it receded into what it is now.

1:21:13But if you go back then, he believes that's when that thing was constructed.

1:21:18And he says the physical geologists look at it.

1:21:22And if he shows it to them in terms of like just shows an image of the erosion and doesn't

1:21:28tell them where it is.

1:21:29almost all of them will say that's water erosion from thousands of years of rainfall.

1:21:33I think even if you say like, okay, even if you say like, okay, civilization is like

1:21:399,000 years old, it's still nothing.

1:21:41Nothing.

1:21:42Yeah.

1:21:43So, you know, we're still talking about like a very tiny fraction of Earth's existence.

1:21:47Like Earth, the geological edge of evidence suggests that Earth is about 1.5 billion years

1:21:51old.

1:21:53So human civilization has been around for roughly one millionth of Earth's existence,

1:21:59because it's basically nothing.

1:22:02Even if it's 10,000 years since...

1:22:03Even if it's 30,000 years ago, so nothing.

1:22:05What they're saying though is that civilization is insanely fragile.

1:22:10That's exactly.

1:22:11And much more fragile than I think we realized.

1:22:13Yeah, absolutely.

1:22:14I think we should view civilization as being fragile.

1:22:17Yeah, but we don't.

1:22:19It's one of the weird things about people.

1:22:21Unless the threat is in front of us, it's abstract.

1:22:26Unless it's like, is the pizza here?

1:22:28Oh yeah, pizza's here.

1:22:31Yeah, I mean.

1:22:32From civilization.

1:22:33No, actually, one of my sons, who,

1:22:36it's actually, he just has these profound observations.

1:22:40And he asked me what was LA like 4,000 years ago?

1:22:44I'm like, it wasn't around.

1:22:47And he said, what would be like in 4,000 years from now?

1:22:50Probably bear buried under rubble.

1:22:52Probably very similar to what it was like 4,000 years ago.

1:22:54Yeah.

1:22:55Exactly.

1:22:56And they asked me, did they speak English 4,000 years ago?

1:23:00I'm like, nope.

1:23:01So I did they, will they speak English 4,000 years from now?

1:23:05Probably not.

1:23:06I should point out that I never ate pizza.

1:23:09Really?

1:23:12Why not?

1:23:12Because it's not really good for you.

1:23:15Well, I don't think anyone's going to accuse pizza

1:23:17of being like the hell this thing in the world.

1:23:20This looks awesome.

1:23:21That does look awesome.

1:23:22You want to play Jamie?

1:23:24Yeah.

1:23:25Get in there, sir.

1:23:26Grab a piece.

1:23:27All right, so.

1:23:28Let's go.

1:23:29Ha ha ha ha.

1:23:30This is awesome.

1:23:31And what's the name of this pizza?

1:23:34Pizza Leon.

1:23:35Pizza Leon?

1:23:36Yeah.

1:23:37Shout out to Pizza Leon.

1:23:38Oh yeah.

1:23:41I really hit the spot.

1:23:43Hustle Jet.

1:23:44I mean, I'm no Dave Portnoy.

1:23:48I don't know.

1:23:49Our pizza analyst who probably I'm not gonna rate it. It's excellent. He's pointing

1:23:58over he gets into pizza. Oh man. I've ever seen Portnoy's videos where he analyzes

1:24:07pizza. Oh my God. It was like a whole method. Okay. Number system. All right.

1:24:13He's into the crust and the flop and all these different things. Wow. Yeah.

1:24:18everybody knows the rules. Yeah. What is it? Everybody knows the rules. One by it.

1:24:26You only get one bite of a pizza? Yeah.

1:24:31Yeah, he bites into it and then he just starts nodding and says, he's basically like a Somalia pizza.

1:24:35Pizza is a milieu, okay. Yeah. And it's a Z. Is there like, what's his favorite pizza joint?

1:24:41Oh, the favorite one. That's the everyone wants to know that.

1:24:44It's those cheese. Yeah, we spent so much time on pizza. And it's New Haven, New Haven, Connecticut. Really? Yeah.

1:24:50For some reason the Italians that moved to New Haven, Connecticut

1:24:53Who really figured pizza out? We have insane pizza in New Haven, Connecticut. Okay. Yeah, I really like legendary. I've had it

1:25:03There was a comedy club I used to work out there called The Joker's Wild and I had New Haven pizza and even back then

1:25:09It's just really good pizza. Well, okay

1:25:12I don't know why though. It seems like something that could be replicated.

1:25:20Yeah, exactly. Yeah, it's not like rocket ships.

1:25:23Yeah. The thing is, the people that are making pizza are not like the people that are making

1:25:33rocket ships. If they were, they would replicate. They would go, what are these guys doing?

1:25:40back engineer it. Sure. Can't be that hard. You know, all these secret sauces and shit.

1:25:47Well, fuck them. What's in there? Yeah. Well, I was hungry. It's good, all right?

1:25:57The combination of pineapple and anchovy. Surprisingly good, right? Yeah.

1:26:02I'm not. Where does the first pineapple anchovy pizza they were made there?

1:26:06I used to order it when I would order for delivery, they'd go, are you sure?

1:26:15Am I done with it? I know what I'm doing. I'm ordering it.

1:26:21Now with extra arsenic.

1:26:24This is good.

1:26:27As you know why I don't eat this stuff though. I cannot stop.

1:26:34That's a problem.

1:26:36The speed is too delicious. Oh, so good. High calorie, high-carb or hydrate foods.

1:26:42Once they start going down the hatch, they don't want to stop.

1:26:44It calms to the devil.

1:26:46Oh, they are the devil.

1:26:49Remember, these two made a base of the food chain.

1:26:52Yeah.

1:26:52The whole pyramid, the whole pyramid, the bottom of the food pyramid was carbs.

1:26:56The pyramid. What would the Egyptians say?

1:27:00They said, well, I'd have our fucking mind.

1:27:01I wouldn't even eat it.

1:27:03Yeah, exactly stuff is just that's the bizarre thing about like both of July in your mouth

1:27:10When how many human beings eat just processed food like the majority of their diet is processed food

1:27:16Like the entire center of the supermarket is shit. You really probably shouldn't eat except every day on that

1:27:26Blood jammy won't one

1:27:28I don't.

1:27:29I don't.

1:27:30You seem offended.

1:27:31No, I did too.

1:27:33Not like favorite.

1:27:34I don't like either of those things, honestly.

1:27:36Have you tried it?

1:27:37It's not mine.

1:27:40Well, Billy, you should try it.

1:27:41I understand.

1:27:42I feel like I should see it.

1:27:43This shows all about trying it.

1:27:44We shot an arrow at a car.

1:27:45I'm just not going to like it.

1:27:46And I don't want to offend Pizza Leo,

1:27:47and I like that place.

1:27:50I want to be offended.

1:27:54All right.

1:27:54It's hard to mess with pizza, frankly.

1:27:56Unlike the creeps who used to run Twitter,

1:27:58I don't care if someone has a different opinion than me.

1:28:01I just don't like fish to be that honest with you.

1:28:03I've tried it many times and I still haven't liked it.

1:28:06It's gonna be a day that's gonna be one would be won over.

1:28:09You like any fish?

1:28:10No.

1:28:11You're gonna go fishing?

1:28:12You can do crap meat, yeah.

1:28:13But I don't like the whole probably.

1:28:14Do you like sushi?

1:28:16No.

1:28:16I'm gonna have that Phillips,

1:28:17I'm gonna try some of my Phillips on Thursday though.

1:28:20You're gonna try it, but you don't like fish.

1:28:22I'm like DC, I'm afraid of that whole thing.

1:28:24Mmm.

1:28:26I've talked to Philip about it in detail.

1:28:29Okay.

1:28:30I don't need fish that often.

1:28:33I like it.

1:28:33Yeah.

1:28:35It's particularly good when you catch it yourself.

1:28:38You eat it fresh?

1:28:39Fresh fish really is way better.

1:28:41Way better. Way better.

1:28:42Yeah, fish goes bad quick.

1:28:43I'm like meat.

1:28:45Yeah.

1:28:46Like,

1:28:47meat you can like let it sit around for a while.

1:28:50Kind of marinate. For you cook.

1:28:51You don't marinate fish, I think.

1:28:53Well, they do.

1:28:55They actually dry age fish.

1:28:57Okay.

1:28:57Yeah, a lot of places dry age fish.

1:28:59Interesting.

1:29:00But age to the fish.

1:29:00Yeah, I didn't know that.

1:29:01I wasn't aware of that, but that's actually a common practice

1:29:04to dry age fish for certain sushi dishes,

1:29:07like really gourmet places.

1:29:09Have you ever been to Sushi by Scratch?

1:29:11Is that in town?

1:29:12Yeah, it's just outside of town.

1:29:14He used to run sushi bar, and then he sold it.

1:29:17My friend Philip Franklin Lee is a Michelin star chef.

1:29:19He used to run sushi bar in town.

1:29:22He sold that.

1:29:23And then he opened up sushi by scratch.

1:29:25But because of the contractual obligations,

1:29:28he has to be outside of the Austin proper.

1:29:31So he's about 30 miles away.

1:29:32It's fucking fantastic.

1:29:34If you like sushi, it's like the best sushi you'll ever eat.

1:29:37Okay.

1:29:37I mean, it's really insane.

1:29:38I say that with, you eat it and you're like,

1:29:41Jesus Christ, the best sushi of all time.

1:29:45Sushi by scratch?

1:29:48They have lunch in Miami.

1:29:51Where they have it now in Chicago.

1:29:53They got a bunch of them.

1:29:54Is that a lot of noise?

1:29:55No, it's not in Austin proper.

1:29:58I think once his contract is up, you know, he had a non-compete in Austin for like three

1:30:03years or something.

1:30:04I don't know how long it was.

1:30:05Okay.

1:30:06But maybe eventually he'll open up one in Austin, but it's about 30 minutes outside of it.

1:30:11What city is it against?

1:30:12Cedar.

1:30:13Yeah, Cedar Creek.

1:30:14It's out at a lost pine's area.

1:30:16Yeah.

1:30:17It's 30 minutes.

1:30:18It's a big deal.

1:30:19It's a big scratch.

1:30:20Got it.

1:30:21Yeah.

1:30:22It's a shit.

1:30:23Yeah, it's awesome. It's really worth it. Like if you like sushi, it's a mind-blower. It's a mind-blower.

1:30:28And it's on Macase. So like you sit down, they bring you food. That's it. That looks good. It's pretty

1:30:35fucking cool. They've been to Matsu. He's in LA. Yes. The Macase brothers are great. Yes, that place is

1:30:40outstanding. Yeah, yeah. I love good sushi. And it's one of the things that's amazing is how

1:30:47any good restaurants are in Austin. I mean, for a city that's relatively small, I mean, the restaurant

1:30:52Rose-Brecapita is excellent.

1:30:54Amazing.

1:30:55And they're so good.

1:30:57There's so many like artists and restaurants.

1:30:59We just found a new one that Brian Simpson told us about.

1:31:01It's called Bacalar.

1:31:02It's this Mexican restaurant.

1:31:04It's a town.

1:31:04Fantastic.

1:31:06Really good.

1:31:07Yeah.

1:31:08They just opened up.

1:31:08I think they're only open for like six weeks.

1:31:10So shout out to them.

1:31:11Just say eight there the other night.

1:31:13It's just there's so many good places here.

1:31:15Yeah.

1:31:15Like you can't have a bad restaurant in this town.

1:31:17You will go under quickly.

1:31:19To the competition is strong.

1:31:20There's so much competition.

1:31:22And there's so much variety.

1:31:24Yeah.

1:31:24All kinds of...

1:31:25A lot of good restaurants in the town.

1:31:26Yeah.

1:31:27That's amazing.

1:31:28I remember we were hanging out at your place way back in the day when I first moved here.

1:31:33And you said something very prophetic when all this was happening, like Austin's about

1:31:36to go supernova.

1:31:37Yeah.

1:31:38Kind of did.

1:31:39Yeah.

1:31:40It's a boom town.

1:31:41Yeah, it really is.

1:31:42Yeah.

1:31:43Legitimately.

1:31:44Yeah.

1:31:45And with the gigafactory, how many jobs have you brought into Austin from that factory

1:31:50alone?

1:31:51Well, we're about 10,000 direct-ish, and then I think 50,000 indirect.

1:31:57So it's a lot.

1:31:58That's pretty fucking awesome.

1:31:59Yeah.

1:32:00I mean, there's only too many people in the greater Western area.

1:32:03No, that's crazy.

1:32:05In fact, the kind of limiting factor for growth is just buying enough people.

1:32:11Oh.

1:32:12Yeah.

1:32:16This is terrible for sound.

1:32:18That was a big graph.

1:32:19We just didn't have to do all that information.

1:32:21It's like the subtitled chewing sounds.

1:32:23This is my last piece.

1:32:25Subtitled two examples.

1:32:27People are going to have to deal with it.

1:32:28This is my last piece.

1:32:29Are you taking it away?

1:32:30You son of a bitch.

1:32:31You son of a bitch.

1:32:32I suddenly eaten my full.

1:32:34Yeah, take it away.

1:32:35I'll keep going.

1:32:36I'll eat the whole fucking...

1:32:37That's the problem with me in carbs.

1:32:39Yeah, carbs are awesome.

1:32:41Mm-hmm.

1:32:42Yeah, I know.

1:32:43It's like...

1:32:44I feel good though.

1:32:46I mean, there's dopamine explosion from carbs.

1:32:48Yeah, I bet I did.

1:32:49Yeah, it's...

1:32:50I mean, once in a while, it's fine.

1:32:52for me it's once in a great while but.

1:32:55Well it's like like Tim Ferriss has like that you know you have one whatever one meal a week

1:33:00or something.

1:33:01Yeah that's good.

1:33:02Yeah one meal a week I'll go with sweets.

1:33:07I'll have ice cream sundae or some shit.

1:33:10Ice cream sundae is great.

1:33:12Oh they're fucking amazing.

1:33:13Amazing.

1:33:14Yeah I don't even think most people know what an ice cream sundae tastes like unless they

1:33:18smoke marijuana.

1:33:19And then you're like oh yeah this is a different thing.

1:33:23It's an amazing invention.

1:33:25Whoever figured out the hot fudge and then the whipped cream is on top of it.

1:33:28What a combo.

1:33:29Incredible.

1:33:30Yeah.

1:33:31What's up with those two?

1:33:32May be.

1:33:33Oh yeah.

1:33:34May be.

1:33:35Great idea.

1:33:36I don't know if that's...

1:33:37Awesome.

1:33:38...or my gold shaded queen.

1:33:39For sure.

1:33:40Derry queen.

1:33:41Well, I mean, that's what's open right now.

1:33:42What's legit?

1:33:43It's 11.30.

1:33:44I know.

1:33:45What's the...

1:33:46There's like the pizza restaurant, the pizza chain that's...

1:33:47They have the best ice cream sundae that I've ever seen.

1:33:48It's a giant one.

1:33:49Out here?

1:33:50I kind of remember the name of the, it is a chain,

1:33:55but it's not like a big chain.

1:33:56People that are upset right now

1:33:57because they're listening like on the treadmill

1:33:59and they're hearing us chilling,

1:34:00like these motherfuckers are gonna get angry.

1:34:02You're seeing pizza and ice cream sundaes.

1:34:05Why would we try to lose weight and sweat and out?

1:34:11Oh, Book of the Bepos.

1:34:12Oh yeah.

1:34:14They've got a gigantic ice cream sundae.

1:34:17Everything they have is gigantic.

1:34:18It's amazing.

1:34:19Yeah.

1:34:20there for a long time. It's actually really good. It's amazing. Oh, bro, they have that

1:34:24rigatoni, that rigatoni with the meat sauce and oh my god. Rigaton Puzz is great.

1:34:30It's fantastic. Yeah. And it's very reasonably priced for the amount of food you get.

1:34:34Yeah, there's one in Palo Alto. Yeah, it's really good. Yeah. I like a little

1:34:40photographs in the wall. There's one of those down the street from our old studio.

1:34:43You know what? With the hills. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah.

1:34:48Yeah, I used to take my kids to the one at the grove in LA.

1:34:56What if anything is out near SpaceX?

1:34:59What do you guys have out there?

1:35:00In LA or here?

1:35:01Out here.

1:35:02We've got the Starlink terminal factory.

1:35:07So we, for the Starlink V4 terminals, we build them here.

1:35:12We built the, what's called the, well, the, the V, the version three terminals and the

1:35:18version three minis.

1:35:19There's like a, well, there's like, we do part of the production or actually, I should

1:35:24say we've done all of the production of the terminals thus far in LA and we'll continue

1:35:28to do production in LA but we're also, we've just completed a second factory in Bastrop

1:35:34just about 20 minutes from here.

1:35:37And then SpaceX is where you make the launches.

1:35:41What part of Texas is that?

1:35:44Well the Starship stuff is in South Texas near the border, just right on the rear ground.

1:35:50And how did you pick that location?

1:35:54I was literally looking at satellite images and for going to orbit you want to launch

1:36:05eastward so that you can take advantage of Earth rotation to get to orbit.

1:36:08So it's a little counterintuitive that reaching orbital velocity, getting to orbit is about

1:36:17your speed parallel to the Earth's surface.

1:36:19It's like how fast are you zooming around Earth?

1:36:22It's not a, like the gravity at the altitude of the space station is almost the same as

1:36:28it is on the ground.

1:36:29The reason the space station is actually up there, so kind of the wrong terminology, it's

1:36:33It's actually moving around the Earth at 17,000 miles an hour.

1:36:37So the space station goes around the Earth at roughly every 90 minutes.

1:36:44And because Earth is turning, and the speed of which is turning,

1:36:54or the way you experience velocity,

1:36:55is moving it roughly 1,000 miles an hour at the equator.

1:36:59So the closer you are to the equator,

1:37:01the more you can take advantage of Earth rotation to reach orbital velocity.

1:37:06So you want to, and so, an instance, it's rotating eastward, you want to be on the east

1:37:11coast to get, to make it easier to get to orbital velocity.

1:37:16So you need a section of coast that's on the east fairly southward that is not occupied.

1:37:24So like most of, really almost really all of Florida except for Cape Canaveral is, you

1:37:31know, wall to wall houses on the beach.

1:37:33Like there's almost no section of Florida that, every section of Florida has houses,

1:37:37except for Cape Canaveral, which is a government base.

1:37:42So one of the few spots that wasn't occupied was the area just adjacent to the border with

1:37:50Mexico.

1:37:53And it just wasn't super well suited to quality homes.

1:38:01And there was at one point a development that was going to take place, but then a hurricane

1:38:05came and destroyed the entire place.

1:38:08And in fact rearranged the land, so some of the plots were under water.

1:38:12So it's kind of a tough spot to build a home, and that's why it was unoccupied.

1:38:20So we needed a piece of, and it needs to be US territory because we go outside the US,

1:38:26there are export restrictions because rocket technology is an advanced weapons technology.

1:38:30So we can't just like arbitrarily go to another country.

1:38:36So it needed to be US land, east coast, and fairly southward.

1:38:43That's fascinating that rocket-

1:38:45That's one of the few spots that exist like that.

1:38:47rockets fall into the category of weapons technology

1:38:50yeah into continental ballistic missiles

1:38:53uh...

1:38:54make sense

1:38:55yeah we could drop a rocket anywhere

1:38:56uh...

1:38:57nobody could stop us

1:39:00that is crazy about the space station

1:39:03yeah

1:39:04let's go to seventeen thousand miles an hour

1:39:07yes

1:39:09i mean you've seen the videos of the rocket landing rain yes

1:39:13it's a very precise

1:39:14it's pretty fucking amazing we can make land

1:39:16basically anywhere. No. Or not land. I mean, you don't have to turn on this

1:39:24restress to slow down. What is it like to try to juggle these different things in

1:39:31your mind on a daily basis? Like, what is it like to try to juggle? X, Tesla, SpaceX,

1:39:38all these different things at the same time? It's a lot for a human brain to handle.

1:39:45Yeah, I would imagine.

1:39:48Yeah.

1:39:49Like, it strains my meat computer.

1:39:52I would do you need something like that though?

1:39:56Does your meat computer need more problem solving than the average one?

1:40:03I mean, is this something like, if you only had one thing to work on, do you think you

1:40:09would get bored?

1:40:11Or you would get distracted?

1:40:12Or you would not be satisfied?

1:40:14Like do you need these things?

1:40:17To be so complex and have so many of them simultaneously juggling

1:40:21Because you didn't pick three easy ones you pick three of the fucking hardest things you could ever get into you already detailed

1:40:29How difficult manufacturing is rockets done? It's great. It's one of the craziest things like rocket science

1:40:36Completely innovative rockets then land

1:40:39like they that never happened before so you're doing that right and then you

1:40:44said you know what we're gonna save humanity let me go spend 44 billion on

1:40:48Twitter man that was expensive what's it worth what's what do you think it was

1:40:53actually worth everything yeah not for the market I mean like for humans yes I

1:41:05agree with you I mean I really genuinely do think this and I've said this many

1:41:08times publicly, I think you did humanity and immense service. And that if that didn't happen,

1:41:15the narrative of this country would have gone further and further down that road to

1:41:19the point where people would have been scared to speak their mind. And they would have been

1:41:23scared. And it changes the way people communicate at their jobs, which changes the way it just

1:41:30changes the way people when they leave universities and they go to get jobs, the way they're allowed

1:41:37to communicate and people don't like to be on the outside. They don't like to be ostracized.

1:41:43They don't like to be kicked out of communities. So people would adhere and they would change.

1:41:48Absolutely. I'm here like I said, are afraid of being ostracized is like, fear of being

1:41:54ostracized I think is probably the biggest issue. And they're just being totally shut

1:41:59down. Yeah. You know, where you have no outlet and you can just basically disappear except

1:42:06for in-person meetings. So, yeah, it was important to, like, steer, have at least one social media

1:42:22outlet that wasn't canceling people.

1:42:27What I really enjoy is reading the tweets. I guess you still have to call them tweets.

1:42:32Reading lists or whatever. I don't have a good word for it.

1:42:35Yeah, you can't say the X's.

1:42:37Reading the...

1:42:38Oh, my X's live in Texas.

1:42:39Yeah.

1:42:40Reading the words, I should say.

1:42:43I enjoy reading the words of people who proclaimed that they were leaving and going over to threads.

1:42:49Yeah.

1:42:50Yeah.

1:42:51That's an interesting thing about momentum.

1:42:54Very difficult to start a whole new social media platform.

1:42:58even one that initially got like what would have threats get like some crazy

1:43:03number of initial people signing up for it

1:43:06but it just

1:43:07dropped off of them like a couple weeks now it's a fucking ghost town

1:43:12it's like wild eerily quiet it's wild i mean it's like himself doesn't post

1:43:17so that's what's crazy

1:43:20got a you gotta use your product it's interesting though because they're sneaking

1:43:23them in now in instagram they sneak a little thread in there because every

1:43:27And then I'll see something, oh that's interesting,

1:43:28and I click on it, oh you bother fucker.

1:43:30And it opens up threads for me.

1:43:32Well you got me, because they're integrated.

1:43:36But.

1:43:37I don't use Instagram.

1:43:38It's fascinating that, I'm gonna show you,

1:43:40don't, why would you?

1:43:42If I bought X or Twitter, whatever,

1:43:44I wouldn't use anything else either.

1:43:45Yeah, but I didn't use Instagram for a while.

1:43:49I mean, there was a time where I was posting on Instagram,

1:43:52but I found myself doing selfies,

1:43:55Doing selfies and I'm like what the hell is wrong with me

1:44:00Why am I posing with selfies to get likes this is crazy bizarre and like

1:44:07So then I was like, you know if you if you if you if you pose for selfies on on on Twitter that people would

1:44:14Jump all over you know. Yeah, they're like what?

1:44:18Like what's wrong with you? That's so true. Yeah, people are like way more lenient on Instagram for some strange reason

1:44:25Yeah. It's like pretty pictures, basically.

1:44:28Yeah. Pretty pictures and a lot of bullshit.

1:44:31There's a lot of weirdness that comes with Instagram,

1:44:34like filters.

1:44:36Like, I've caught grown men using filters on their pictures.

1:44:41It's very strange.

1:44:42You know, I am concerned that, like,

1:44:44like, say Instagram actually leads to more unhappiness,

1:44:49not a lot of less, in the sense that,

1:44:52It just looks like everyone's like having a great time

1:44:56and is way better looking than they really are.

1:44:58And so you're like, man, everyone's like good looking

1:45:01and having a great time.

1:45:01And then you sort of compare yourself to that

1:45:04and it's like, damn, I'm not as good looking

1:45:06and I just need to be sad a lot.

1:45:09And then you're like, man, I think you're kind of depressed.

1:45:16And also you're a grown man and you've experienced this.

1:45:19You're also very intelligent, you've experienced this.

1:45:22imagine a young kid yeah jonathan hate documented that in the coddling of the

1:45:26american mind

1:45:27so there's a direct correlation between the invention of social media and its

1:45:32ubiquitous use

1:45:33and self-harm amongst kids particularly girls it's really bad for girls

1:45:38and they did like around two thousand seven ish there's this big uptick on

1:45:42suicide self-harm

1:45:45depression

1:45:48People can't just make themselves be better looking with the limit.

1:45:54Right.

1:45:55Yeah, and then surgery.

1:45:57Yeah.

1:45:58Those big up ticking people getting their jaws reshaped and shit.

1:46:02I mean, yeah, that's too bad.

1:46:05So I don't know.

1:46:06I think, I think they have to say Instagram, a net happiness generator or not.

1:46:18I'm not sure it is.

1:46:19distorted images. Have you seen the court artists drawing of Sam Bankman freed?

1:46:24I mean it's like they lost money or something. What the fuck happened? It looks like it melted.

1:46:29Have you seen it? It looks like a supermodel. Oh, what's SVF does? Yes! The guy who drew him.

1:46:38One of them I saw... Maybe there's more than one artist. Maybe there's one one

1:46:41of those. Because some of those ones I saw... One of them... Well unflattering. He looked like an

1:46:44anime superhero. You're joking. No, no, like perfect chisel jawline. Ridiculous. He

1:46:51looked like he lost 30 pounds. Started working out. Look at this. Look at that.

1:46:55Are you kidding? What the fuck man? Look at that guy on the left. That guy looks like Superman.

1:46:59Well, doesn't he? Look how hot that guy is. I almost feel like it's not. It's like

1:47:05called Candace Open. It might be. I feel like someone's fucking with it. There's a

1:47:08few other pictures of my Google like, you know, or some rough pictures though. It seems

1:47:12like someone's fuck with it because that guy's handsome as fuck because there's

1:47:15this one that's not the same no that one's terrible that's not real that Satan's

1:47:21drug but but that one right there if that is real it's like come on that's not

1:47:26real that's bullshit because look at the what they did with the girl oh wow look

1:47:31at that picture that even that picture is what Carol looks like she's melting yeah

1:47:35I don't know I don't I have to I mean but she's probably massively depressed I

1:47:41I bet that's also like it's artist interpretation of the energy she's giving off in court.

1:47:47I mean she has to rat on her boyfriend and she's already pleaded guilty and you know for

1:47:52a lesser sentence she's going to rat him out.

1:47:54Well I mean who SPF's PR team is but they are doing an incredible job.

1:48:02For real?

1:48:03Well I mean the dude, tons of people often stole their money and yet he's getting basically

1:48:10you know back rub from the press.

1:48:12Well don't you think that's because of the amount of money that he donated?

1:48:15Yeah, I don't know.

1:48:16Why don't I look the deal with it?

1:48:17It might have something to do with that.

1:48:19I'm not that cynical.

1:48:21I generally don't think people are influenced by money.

1:48:24Well I don't know what he's doing.

1:48:26Something's good, I think.

1:48:28The number of articles they've seen where it's basically, you know, misunderstood philanthropist

1:48:36is ridiculous.

1:48:38Well your bullshit meter went off when he was offering money to buy in with you with Twitter, correct?

1:48:46Well a large amount. Yeah, and

1:48:51I mean a lot of people

1:48:53you know

1:48:55fell for his bullshit

1:48:58but I mean if I first of all I can't really heard of the guy I'm like who is this guy and

1:49:05What did he do and he's in the Bahamas?

1:49:07And that's pretty sus to begin with.

1:49:10He's very sus.

1:49:11Like if you're on a tropical island,

1:49:14finance organizations in tropical islands

1:49:16are generally have a bad track record.

1:49:19And he's involved in crypto.

1:49:20And crypto is sketch.

1:49:22It is a lot of scale.

1:49:23The scam probably in crypto is high.

1:49:25It's high.

1:49:26So I'm not saying it's all scams.

1:49:30I would leave that distinction for one of those fucking NFTs.

1:49:36That's like 80% scam.

1:49:38Except for people.

1:49:39People's legit.

1:49:40I mean, it's usually like digital art.

1:49:42Yeah, people stuff is great.

1:49:45But I mean, NFT is the funny thing is that the NFT

1:49:47is not even on the blockchain.

1:49:48It's just a URL to the JPEG.

1:49:52So it's not even like, if you should at least encode

1:49:55the JPEG in the blockchain.

1:49:58Because if the URL, if the company housing the image

1:50:01goes out of business, you don't have the image anymore.

1:50:04I never understood it.

1:50:05i tried so hard i tried so hard i know i have a friend who made millions

1:50:10does selling and an artist

1:50:12i'm like okay do save that money

1:50:15because of the eventually people to figure this out

1:50:18like this does that with with art there is a fair bit of money laundering

1:50:22and uh... tax avoidance that is uh...

1:50:24so some of these things that seem inexplicable

1:50:27like cotton

1:50:29you talk about how about in spainings

1:50:31I did he actually sell fighting for large sums of money immense sums of money, okay?

1:50:36It's hundreds of thousands probably that that's that seems unlikely to be a legit transaction

1:50:41unlikely, right?

1:50:42Yeah, the works not bad though. I gotta say that kind of bullshit art. It's not that bad. Yeah

1:50:50I mean the thing is that it's hard to price art right because in the eye of the beholder

1:50:54So how can you say whether something like this is this stuff? How much does that go for 225k?

1:51:00Okay, a steal.

1:51:03It's not bad.

1:51:04It's not that bad.

1:51:06It's not that bad.

1:51:07I mean, I would buy that.

1:51:08I wouldn't buy it for $2.25, but I'll buy it for $5.

1:51:12Yeah.

1:51:13It's not bad.

1:51:14Like, look, a lot of crackheads are good artists.

1:51:17Like, you know, you get crazy on drugs

1:51:19and splatter some shit around

1:51:21and you got a unique vision.

1:51:22That's not bad.

1:51:23That's not bad.

1:51:23That is not bad at all.

1:51:25How much does that one go for?

1:51:27I don't know.

1:51:28so he's a he's probably legit mean what we're gonna find out here i don't

1:51:31i mean i suspect he i mean i i'm sorry he's he's not

1:51:36untalented um... right so i mean i actually don't have any

1:51:40should we should be with his his lifestyle or anything there's a stuff

1:51:44that stuff stop at like whatever that dog wolf thing is on the wall that's

1:51:48pretty dope

1:51:49i like that

1:51:52what does it say

1:51:53underneath it

1:51:54can you read it

1:51:58i can't read it

1:52:00anyway

1:52:01yes it's about it's about

1:52:03have you ever heard the theory that the entire modern art

1:52:07movement like jackson pollock in the like

1:52:10was a ci a cyop

1:52:16i mean

1:52:16i have heard that but i have not heard any evidence for it i read the article a

1:52:20couple years ago okay at least

1:52:22uh... one of not to sell

1:52:24yeah

1:52:25every day was not one of the silo

1:52:27but it was

1:52:28fascinating yet every day

1:52:31so it's not that

1:52:34but what was this

1:52:38was really a cia side

1:52:40but i mean if you can get someone to spend that kind of money on that kind of

1:52:43shit like the jackson paul

1:52:47so

1:52:48here is

1:52:51prim primran um... preeminent cultural war cold war it was it

1:52:55okay uh... the relationship between modern art american

1:52:58diplomacy began during world war two did it did it do it

1:53:02museum mama

1:53:04battle for hearts and minds

1:53:08it's an interesting article

1:53:10so i read the article couple years ago i can remember what their argument was

1:53:14but uh... it's one of those things starts there like this spent money to buy

1:53:18paintings directly from artists

1:53:19uh... forty's

1:53:21the United, okay, even though modern art and American diplomacy were of a piece, Soviet

1:53:27propaganda asserted that the United States was culturally barren capitalist wasteland

1:53:33to make the case for American cultural dynamism.

1:53:38The State Department in 1946 spent $49,000 to purchase 79 paintings directly from American

1:53:43modern artists and mounted them in a traveling exhibition called Advancing American Art.

1:53:50exhibition which made stops in Europe and Latin America,

1:53:54included work from artists like George O'Keefe and Jake.

1:53:57George O'Keefe is the lady who makes vaginas, right?

1:53:59Isn't that her work?

1:54:01I think that is some of what she does.

1:54:04I think she makes like vagina flowers and stuff.

1:54:08I think so is pretty good.

1:54:12Well, the Jackson Pollock one is like, how did, come on?

1:54:17What happened there?

1:54:18That one is just wild because I really think I could do that.

1:54:22So, the shit of like, Jackson Paul and the CIA teamed up to win the Cold War.

1:54:27Yeah.

1:54:28Okay.

1:54:29I think that's the article, right?

1:54:30Because that's 2017.

1:54:31I don't remember.

1:54:32Well, I think, you know, Art is very much in the eye of the beholder.

1:54:38It's like, what does it make you, how does it make you think and feel?

1:54:41Yeah.

1:54:42And if it makes you think and feel in a way that you like, then it's good.

1:54:45Yes, absolutely.

1:54:46Yeah.

1:54:47But it's also a way to launder money.

1:54:50Yes.

1:54:51A number of these very high price art things are tax evasion and money laundering.

1:54:58Have you ever seen the documentary on the lost Leonardo?

1:55:02No.

1:55:04That's crazy.

1:55:05That's crazy.

1:55:06MBS purchased this.

1:55:07He purchased it for some insane amount of money.

1:55:10It turns out it probably isn't Leonardo da Vinci's.

1:55:13Not only that, but the vast majority of the painting was made by a modern age woman who

1:55:20recreated everything.

1:55:22Like so she in restoring, air quotes restoring,

1:55:26she essentially repainted the image

1:55:30in the style of Da Vinci.

1:55:32And it's very sketchy because if you look at the original painting,

1:55:36it was all fucked up and missing paint.

1:55:39There was many layers, someone had painted over it.

1:55:41It's really an incredible documentary

1:55:44because it just shows how much fuckery is involved

1:55:48in these high dollar transactions.

1:55:50And I think it went, I think it was the most expensive painting that was ever sold.

1:55:54How they went for something in the neighborhood of $400 million?

1:55:58$450 million.

1:56:00Yeah.

1:56:01The Lost Leonardo, a new film, Solve the Mystery of the Worlds, Most Expensive Painting, is

1:56:05the $450 million Salvator Monday of Fake.

1:56:09This film featuring tearful sycophants, sneering experts, dodgy dealers and a secretive super

1:56:15yacht, may finally settle the great Da Vinci controversy.

1:56:19Apparently, there's multiple layers and different styles of painting involved in it.

1:56:26And when they do some sort of a comprehensive examination, whether it's like, I don't know

1:56:31what kind of imagery they're using, they're doing something when they could say like,

1:56:34this has been painted many times and fucked with.

1:56:39It might have originally been one of Leonardo's students.

1:56:43Might not have been Leonardo, like there's not a real clear-

1:56:46It's been into that time.

1:56:48Yeah.

1:56:49Whether it was the Sotheby's that sold it?

1:56:51Yeah, so they were kind of aware that there was some shenanigans with this piece, but they

1:56:57also were aware that this was this was gonna cha-ching, this was three lemons, this was

1:57:03they were gonna hit the jackpot with this bad boy.

1:57:06And so they went through with it and yeah.

1:57:09Christie's.

1:57:10Christie's, that's it.

1:57:12The other one.

1:57:13Christie's wasn't aware.

1:57:15It's a fascinating documentary.

1:57:17I don't know what's right.

1:57:18I don't know what's wrong, it might be real.

1:57:19But at the very least, it's been retouched mostly

1:57:23by this woman.

1:57:24Isn't it like 90% of the painting?

1:57:28There's some very high percentage of the painting

1:57:31that was actually made by this woman.

1:57:33And they show her, she worked on it forever for years

1:57:37and years worked like painstakingly

1:57:40to retouch this piece of art, which is very odd.

1:57:46Yeah.

1:57:48That they do that.

1:57:49Cause like, wouldn't you just want it all fucked up and old?

1:57:52I mean, that's the real piece of art.

1:57:54Yeah.

1:57:55The real piece of art is not like some woman in 2001,

1:58:00painting over it.

1:58:00That's just crazy.

1:58:03Yeah.

1:58:05I mean, I enjoy art for the aesthetics,

1:58:09but not for the name value.

1:58:11Yeah, I feel the same way.

1:58:13I enjoy art just because I just,

1:58:16well, when it makes you feel, you know?

1:58:18It's a cool thing.

1:58:22I mean, obviously my studio's filled with it.

1:58:23You go outside.

1:58:24I love art.

1:58:25It's everywhere out there.

1:58:27I love it.

1:58:29You ever seen the piece that she made of you?

1:58:32This Melania Blackman, have you seen that drawing that she did?

1:58:36Is that the weird one?

1:58:38It's everything.

1:58:39It's enormous.

1:58:41She draws it and you're essentially made up of all these different characters and different

1:58:47things.

1:58:48find her work with us. She did one of me and she did one of Anthony Bourdain that I bought

1:58:53that's out there as well. She's super talented, this woman. So this is her. She's really hot

1:59:00too. Okay. So you can find her standing next to it. There it is. Instagram Bandit? Oh, that

1:59:13was right. There was something that happened where Instagram did something. What happened?

1:59:21Instagram has not only banned me from promoting this artwork, but also shadow banned me altogether

1:59:27after I posted my latest piece.

1:59:29This is after probably you said that you wanted to fight Zucker.

1:59:32Well actually I was just...

1:59:35Zucker is funny because you know he was posting all these fight videos and then someone on

1:59:41Twitter at the time said, um, hey you should fight Zuck.

1:59:46And I said, well, I'm willing to fight if you is.

1:59:50And then Zuck posted, I think on Instagram or something,

1:59:56named the place or something.

1:59:58Something got effect.

1:59:59And I was like, OK, how about the Vegas octagon?

2:00:07And then Italy actually was willing to let us use the Colosseum.

2:00:13So then I was like, well, it's just

2:00:15can't turn that down.

2:00:20And then I was like, well, if it's going to be in the

2:00:21Coliseum, I like UFC and everything.

2:00:24But we don't want to have tons of ads in UFC rounding on

2:00:28the Coliseum, because it's a historical place of great

2:00:32history.

2:00:33You don't want to just have it be all like NASCAR.

2:00:40And then Zuck pulled out.

2:00:43he's a pull-out method.

2:00:45So people got it.

2:00:46People got it out of it?

2:00:48Yeah, yeah.

2:00:49Oh, what was the narrative?

2:00:52Would you hear, Jimmy?

2:00:53I don't remember.

2:00:54Well, listen, I know you did.

2:00:56So he was like, oh, no, it's got to be UFC rules.

2:00:58I'm like, well, OK, we're going to have UFC rules

2:01:01and the call scene.

2:01:01That's fine.

2:01:02But we just don't want to have it.

2:01:03You've got to respect the historical integrity of the place.

2:01:06Just the call scene just seems like the coolest place to do it.

2:01:09Yeah.

2:01:09That's why.

2:01:10I mean, like, a radiator.

2:01:11Oh, yeah.

2:01:12Come on.

2:01:12and if they said it's okay

2:01:14so he just wants it to be in the actual ufc lg in vigorous so so they said i

2:01:18will you know uh... i keep he's accused me of not not not being serious as a look

2:01:22at the

2:01:23at the end of the if alfati

2:01:25any place anywhere under any rules

2:01:29dot that's right

2:01:31so so i'm you know

2:01:34name the

2:01:34is he is a name of place unlike i'm if i'm happy

2:01:38find him in a house on a mouse with a mouse.

2:01:41We'd like go full Dr. Seuss here.

2:01:43No, how much time?

2:01:45How much time?

2:01:46I'm away because of him.

2:01:47This is unfair.

2:01:48I know you.

2:01:48I don't think you should fight me.

2:01:49Because you're so much bigger than him.

2:01:50Yeah, I'm like 50% happy with him.

2:01:52Yeah.

2:01:53I'll just use the wall.

2:01:54I've got my patented walrus move.

2:01:56I just lie on him.

2:01:57Well, you know, like it, walrus doesn't need martial arts

2:02:00training.

2:02:01Right.

2:02:02Because it's really big.

2:02:04You don't want to go wrestling a walrus.

2:02:06Right.

2:02:07because he's gonna roll on you.

2:02:08Have you ever been, ever rolled with someone

2:02:10that's much smaller than you that does Jiu Jitsu?

2:02:12Yes.

2:02:13You lack.

2:02:14Yeah.

2:02:15Yeah, yeah, no, I did 10 years of martial arts.

2:02:17How much have you trained personally?

2:02:20A decade over.

2:02:21Well, you did a lot of karate, right?

2:02:23Judo.

2:02:25Judo Kaikush and Kaikarate.

2:02:27Yeah.

2:02:28I did some Jiu Jitsu, Taekwondo, Street Fighting,

2:02:33which I was involuntary.

2:02:34I think I'd be decent.

2:02:39I did martial arts competitions when I was a teenager.

2:02:41Really interesting.

2:02:42So look at the George St. Pierre, Elon, John Donnerher, the great master, and Lex Friedman.

2:02:49But like Lex is, I think he's got like 20% heavier than Zuck, and I'm bigger than Lex.

2:02:55Yeah.

2:02:56That's why they have weight categories.

2:02:58Oh yeah.

2:02:59Yeah.

2:03:00Did you get a chance to talk to Donna her at all the guy on the left?

2:03:04Yeah, no, no, he's you know his history not at least from using a letter something

2:03:09He was a professor of philosophy at Columbia. Okay, and fell in love with you Jitsu

2:03:13Okay, I mean fell in love with it to the point where he was sleeping on the mats and teaching all day long

2:03:17He's an obsessive. He is a real kaizen

2:03:22disciple and oh man

2:03:24He is one of the most unique characters I've ever met in my life. Yeah one of the most brilliant men I've ever met

2:03:30and he's completely dedicated to Jiu Jitsu.

2:03:34And he has raised, through this,

2:03:36particularly this one disciple, Gordon Ryan,

2:03:38who also lives here in Austin.

2:03:39He's the greatest Jiu Jitsu competitor of all time.

2:03:42There's no question, and he's only 28.

2:03:44Okay.

2:03:44He might even be 27, or maybe he's 28 now.

2:03:46But I mean, he is universally regarded

2:03:49as the greatest of all time,

2:03:50and he is John's greatest student.

2:03:52Okay.

2:03:53And the two of them together,

2:03:53because Gordon has insane work ethic,

2:03:56they work 365 days a year.

2:03:58They do not take any days off.

2:03:59they train every day that's Gordon to the right of John with the crazy beard he

2:04:04doesn't really have that hairy bleaches it but the two of them together are

2:04:07literally an unstoppable combination I got a look for it he's pretty ripped guys a

2:04:13combination of gigantic brilliant and insanely dedicated with the most

2:04:17incredible instructor that's ever existed I mean John Donahur is universally

2:04:22regarded as the greatest jujitsu instructor alive and his student is

2:04:27universally regarded as the greatest jujitsu competitor alive. And it is

2:04:32because John is like a complete ab- like a guy out of a superhero book. Like you

2:04:38wouldn't you're not gonna find another one of those. A guy with a genius level IQ

2:04:42who's one of- I mean you talk to him he's fascinating and he is obsessed with

2:04:48with combat sports, warfare, like strategy, brilliant guy.

2:04:55Yeah.

2:04:56Brilliant guy.

2:04:57But I was impressed when I met him.

2:05:00I mean, the things that, like, if I was fighting someone who I was not where I was not much

2:05:05bigger than them, then I would be more concerned.

2:05:08How much time would you need to prepare?

2:05:13I don't need any time.

2:05:14No time at all?

2:05:15Yeah.

2:05:16How's your cardio?

2:05:17It's not it would or that will not be a factor really yeah

2:05:23I mean

2:05:25What's the likelihood of this actually happening?

2:05:27I like I'm willing to do it anytime anywhere anyplace any role

2:05:30Well, I think this stating it this way might accelerate this process especially on this platform. I mean I

2:05:36Challenge him to a duel under any circumstances

2:05:40Swarthite sure Jesus

2:05:43That's not no crystals of dawn. That's not necessary. I think

2:05:47physical and no guns at noon

2:05:50and

2:05:54uh... yeah in the real world

2:05:57uh... listen i did this just a reason they have weight categories

2:06:02so

2:06:04uh...

2:06:06you know i did that there's a

2:06:08a friend of mine who is pretty good fighting

2:06:11uh... but she was raised about half of what i do

2:06:13and uh...

2:06:15And I said, let me show you why there's

2:06:17a weight category, so I'm fighting.

2:06:19And I'm going to do a move called the Waras.

2:06:21And I'm just going to line on you.

2:06:24I'm not going to put you in a lock or anything.

2:06:25I'm just going to line you.

2:06:26But I'm going to position myself such that it's hard to

2:06:30get out from under me.

2:06:32And I just want to lie crossways on you, and you try to

2:06:35get away.

2:06:37You won't be able to get away.

2:06:39Because you couldn't.

2:06:43Like if a horse falls on you, you can get trapped under a horse.

2:06:46But you're not a horse. What do you weigh about 230?

2:06:49Yeah, it's 240. Yeah

2:06:53So no, no, I'm not a horse

2:06:54But I'm saying in the limit if something's heavy enough like you know

2:06:57You if the holes holes in your dies you can get trapped under a horse and not be able to get yourself out

2:07:01Right, but if someone's good enough

2:07:03I mean I'm sure you've seen like absolute weight classes in jujitsu where you'll get a hundred forty five pound competitor

2:07:09Of strangles a 220 pound competitor and they're both well-trained

2:07:12He doesn't have someone that's unlikely.

2:07:15It's unlikely.

2:07:16It happens quite often.

2:07:17When you get elite competitors, when you get elite competitors, like elite black belts

2:07:21at the 145, 155 pound weight limit, you'd be shocked.

2:07:25There's a ton of videos of these guys who will strangle much larger black belts.

2:07:30I'm not saying it's impossible.

2:07:31It's just not highly unlikely.

2:07:34And if this were not the case, they would not be strict weight categories in martial arts.

2:07:38That is true.

2:07:39That is true.

2:07:40The reason why they allow absolutes in Jiu Jitsu

2:07:44is because it is the thrill of watching these smaller people

2:07:49go against much larger people.

2:07:50And sometimes they win.

2:07:53No, just like ARMY's, you know,

2:07:56the people take note when a small ARMY defeats a big ARMY

2:08:02because it is so unusual.

2:08:04Yes.

2:08:04Not because it's normal.

2:08:05Right.

2:08:06You know, if there's like,

2:08:08it's like

2:08:09it was two against ten thousand and boy to beat those two guys up

2:08:13we've got more more likely what happens in like if if you're if you're severely

2:08:16outnumbered

2:08:17uh... you will lose

2:08:19uh... almost certainly so the size difference between these two guys

2:08:23mhm play it out

2:08:24well it's the video

2:08:26this is uh... mikey moussemetchi who's another fascinating individual

2:08:30this guy is another super genius who trains every day twelve hours a day

2:08:35and uh... he is competing as a black belt in the heavyweight division

2:08:39mike mucin matching might weigh a hundred forty five pounds

2:08:43any beats this guy

2:08:44guy doesn't look to be super great shape well he's enormous

2:08:50i mean his enormous and he's a black belt so he's killed

2:08:52i forget how mikey wins this

2:08:55you can't get some of the tell what exactly happened

2:08:58get it a little bit further here

2:08:59i think

2:09:02what happened here

2:09:03I seem like you got penalties or something.

2:09:04Oh, they pushed him out of balance?

2:09:05I don't know what that won on this.

2:09:06I think they're out of balance.

2:09:09Yeah, that's all that it was.

2:09:10That's just out of balance.

2:09:12So, scoot ahead and see what happens,

2:09:14what he catches him with.

2:09:17What happened?

2:09:18I was saying it's impossible.

2:09:19It's just very unlikely.

2:09:21Oh, so he won by points?

2:09:22Yeah, that's why I was straight up.

2:09:22Oh, OK.

2:09:23I think you're making the point for me here.

2:09:25Yeah.

2:09:27Well, in that case, that guy's strangled a lot

2:09:29of much larger people than him.

2:09:31But again, he's a extraordinary.

2:09:33He's a world champion.

2:09:34He's a world champion for one,

2:09:36which is this huge organization in Singapore.

2:09:39They do these events where they have all kinds

2:09:41of did martial arts, they have MMA, tie boxing.

2:09:44Yeah.

2:09:44Yeah.

2:09:46So you do it under any rules?

2:09:48Sure.

2:09:49All right, let's go.

2:09:51I like the fact that you're interested in doing this.

2:09:54It's fun.

2:09:55It makes it fun.

2:09:56Yeah, I mean, I could, you know, this

2:09:59could be an exercise in Hebrews.

2:10:02I doubt we could fight. I like the fact that Zuck's interested in it too. I like the fact

2:10:09that he trained so much.

2:10:11Yeah, I mean, there aren't very many ways to actually, if you stick with the rules that

2:10:16you do too, like for example, if you want to put someone in an unlock, you have to be

2:10:21able to extend their arm. And if somebody is strong enough that you cannot extend their

2:10:26arm, then you're limited to chokes and you can do an arm lock across the groin with both

2:10:33arms and legs. Like, hoist grace, he did upside down and it was like the third UFC fight or

2:10:40something like that. He was pretty severely damaged.

2:10:42That was any fuck chemo, yeah. That enormous guy.

2:10:45Yeah. And he did it upside down arm lock across the groin because he could not do an arm lock

2:10:51a sort of sidebar on luck.

2:10:56But after that, people were like, why is that move?

2:10:58So they were like, we're not going to be a lot of themselves to get an on luck across

2:11:02the coin without, that was like a, you know, over confidence, I think.

2:11:09Well, it was exhaustion.

2:11:10I mean, they fought like tooth and nail for some like seven or eight minutes and, you know,

2:11:17hoist survived and then eventually wore the guy.

2:11:19Well, when you're a big steroided up guy like that too,

2:11:22the oxygen depletion, like the amount of oxygen

2:11:25your muscles require, you gas out pretty quickly

2:11:27when you're that big, unless you're insanely conditioned.

2:11:30Yeah, but there's no way for him to do an arm lock,

2:11:34like a single arm lock.

2:11:37He can do it.

2:11:38Single arm arm lock.

2:11:40If you try to do a lock on the side.

2:11:43So like it's high control?

2:11:44So from some legs across your face, is that what you mean?

2:11:47If you try to do an arm bar on the side,

2:11:51one arm across the knee or across the thigh,

2:11:55you have to be able to extend the arm.

2:11:57Then you're essentially your triceps

2:12:02have to be able to exceed the strength of their bicep,

2:12:05is what it comes down to.

2:12:06But if you cannot exceed the strength of their bicep,

2:12:08then you will not be able to do an arm extension.

2:12:11I'm not sure what I'm, are you talking

2:12:13about like a komura, like a straight arm bar?

2:12:15Yeah.

2:12:15So you're talking about like with just the arms.

2:12:18Where you just have one arm.

2:12:20Like if it's one arm versus one arm.

2:12:25But that's never the case.

2:12:26It's almost always the whole body's engaged.

2:12:32I think that's, well in judo, that's a very common hold.

2:12:35A very common line.

2:12:36A one arm bar?

2:12:37Yeah, one arm.

2:12:38Yeah.

2:12:40You have your one arm around the neck.

2:12:43and you take their arm and you extend it across.

2:12:45Oh, I see what you're saying.

2:12:47OK, so from a scarf hold.

2:12:49So a scarf hold, you would take the arm and put it over

2:12:52and you'd push it down with one arm.

2:12:53Yeah, that's unusual, though.

2:12:55Yeah, that's an unusual arm bar.

2:12:58But if one person is much stronger than another, then they think.

2:13:00That one.

2:13:01That's the move.

2:13:02Yeah.

2:13:03But it's a very fast move, because you

2:13:05can take someone right from a throat, drop them on the floor,

2:13:07right into an arm bar.

2:13:08Yeah.

2:13:09OK.

2:13:10That's a very specific arm bar.

2:13:11Ten seconds.

2:13:12Right.

2:13:12That's a rare armbar.

2:13:13You never see that in MMA.

2:13:15What you do see though is the two legs isolate the arm

2:13:19and then the person grabs a hold of it with a thumb up

2:13:22and uses all their body weight.

2:13:24Yeah, that's what Gracie did.

2:13:26Yeah, that's what most people do when they apply an armbar.

2:13:29Whether it's from the back,

2:13:31like a lot of people have done that,

2:13:33or whether it's from side control,

2:13:35which is a little more easy because you have control

2:13:37of the body.

2:13:38Yeah, I mean, it's also just that,

2:13:40But UFC is not just Jiu Jitsu, you can punch people.

2:13:44Right.

2:13:45That makes a big difference.

2:13:46Big difference.

2:13:47Huge.

2:13:48MMA has changed the ideas of Jiu Jitsu because there's a lot of techniques that people do

2:13:55where it works well in competition when someone's like grabbing your leg when you can't just

2:13:58rain down punches on their face.

2:14:00Yeah.

2:14:01There's a lot of unrealistic positions.

2:14:02So he's pounding in the face is pretty hard to be chill.

2:14:06Especially if they're wave, if somebody's got guerilla fists in your face.

2:14:09Yes.

2:14:10It's not going to be a good day.

2:14:12Yeah.

2:14:13Carlson Gracie famously had a phrase that if you take a black belt, you punch him in

2:14:17the face, he becomes a brown belt.

2:14:19Punch him again, he becomes a purple belt.

2:14:22Yeah.

2:14:23And so on and so forth.

2:14:24If, I mean most people have not been punched in the face.

2:14:27I've been punched in the face.

2:14:29Yeah, that's true.

2:14:30So, you know, it just comes as a surprise.

2:14:33Yeah.

2:14:34Yeah, it probably does come as a surprise.

2:14:36And this also like even even the UFC has a lot of limitations that you can't do 12-clock

2:14:40elbows, you know.

2:14:41So that's changing.

2:14:42You're getting rid of that.

2:14:43A lot of do 12-clock elbows?

2:14:44Yes, finally.

2:14:45Finally.

2:14:46I've been singing that from the top of the roof forever.

2:14:50Okay.

2:14:51It's so nuts.

2:14:52It's so stupid.

2:14:53You know what it came from?

2:14:54No.

2:14:55It came from Big John McCarthy who was the original UFC referee and pioneer of the sport.

2:14:59He was bringing this to athletic commissions and they were allowing certain techniques,

2:15:03but one of them they wouldn't allow,

2:15:04was the 12 to six Elwell,

2:15:06because they saw those late night karate demonstrations

2:15:09for someone like smash bricks like that.

2:15:11They thought someone would die

2:15:12if they hit him with this.

2:15:13Definitely gonna sting.

2:15:15Yeah, but it's not even harder than this one.

2:15:18This one's harder, because this one,

2:15:20you can throw your body weight into it

2:15:23and it's a more natural movement.

2:15:25This is an unusual movement.

2:15:26I mean, I'm sure you could train it

2:15:28and get it probably as hard,

2:15:29but I think for most people, for me,

2:15:31I can tell you for sure,

2:15:33this elbow has more power

2:15:35well i think any elbow in the face is going to be a big wake up call if you

2:15:38never had a lot of it's a box

2:15:40if i can talk to you what did you want to take a quick time for a frances and

2:15:43gone a boxing match

2:15:44so don't worry about the euro

2:15:46no this is a bit of a lot of the other

2:15:48and i don't really feel that's from the nineties

2:15:51yeah

2:15:51now this fight that took place this last weekend frances and gone was the ufc

2:15:55heavyweight champion

2:15:56he vacated the belt so he can take this fight with ties and fury this was his

2:16:00dream fight. Tyson Fury who's the

2:16:01linear heavyweight champion, Francis

2:16:04and Gano had never had a boxing match

2:16:06ever in his life, had zero boxing

2:16:09matches but he was the UFC heavyweight

2:16:11champion. Okay. Knockdown Tyson Fury in

2:16:14the third round, beat him up in the

2:16:15eighth round. Most people including me

2:16:18thought he should have won the decision

2:16:20including most boxers, most boxing

2:16:23pundits and he lost by one point on one

2:16:26judges scorecard. He won on one

2:16:28One judge of scorecard, another judge who should go to jail had it 96, 93 for Tyson

2:16:34Fury, which is fucking outrageous.

2:16:36But Francis and Gano, who is a literal freak of nature, I mean this guy grew up in Cameroon

2:16:42and was working in the sand mines when he was a child.

2:16:46Like a fucking Conan move.

2:16:48Like full on.

2:16:49It's the exact warrior.

2:16:50Conan is like pushing the thing around in a circle.

2:16:53He's developing his body, digging in the sand all day.

2:16:57supremely physically advanced.

2:16:59He's not just fit, he's the hardest puncher ever measured

2:17:03in all of MMA.

2:17:05There's a machine that we actually have outside at the gym.

2:17:08And if you hit this thing, Francis has hit it harder

2:17:11than any person who has ever lived.

2:17:13Yeah, well look at him.

2:17:14Can I hit it?

2:17:16Yeah, we set it up.

2:17:17I have the record for the kick for a while.

2:17:19Okay.

2:17:21Somebody, a couple people beat it now.

2:17:23But Francis punched, it's like getting hit by a fucking car.

2:17:28Sure.

2:17:29And when he dropped Tyson Fury in the third round,

2:17:31you see Tyson's on his back going,

2:17:32what the fuck?

2:17:34And then he realizes,

2:17:35because I think he saw he was just going,

2:17:38a sledgehammer.

2:17:39Well, he thought he was gonna run him over

2:17:40because he's the boxing heavyweight champion.

2:17:42He's like, there's no way he's got a box with me.

2:17:44He even said at the beginning of the fight,

2:17:45it's time to go to school.

2:17:47Okay.

2:17:47And then Francis said at the end

2:17:48if I you are a shitty professor.

2:17:50You should watch it. It's a good show. I mean it's on ESPN plus. I'm pretty sure you can still get it.

2:17:57Yeah.

2:18:00Anyway, I just it's a

2:18:03Yeah, I'm just excited that you're interested in doing it still. Sure. All right.

2:18:11Didn't you fuck your backup doing like sumo wrestling? Yeah

2:18:18What what happened there?

2:18:20Yeah.

2:18:21Still hurts a little bit actually.

2:18:23I've had like four operations.

2:18:24Really from that?

2:18:26Well, I had like some childhood injuries.

2:18:29Like I said, I was in some pretty severe fights as a kid.

2:18:33Like really, like, always almost killed at one point.

2:18:35Really?

2:18:36What happened?

2:18:37It was just in school in South Africa.

2:18:40It's a very violent place.

2:18:44So there's been many involuntary fights.

2:18:48just the way it was.

2:18:51But anyway, and I had some rugby injuries as well.

2:18:55I saw South Shalef go on the World Cup, which is cool.

2:18:58And then rugby.

2:19:02So I think that was not a good starting position.

2:19:05But then the World Champion, Sumo Ressler,

2:19:09it was World Champion Sumo Ressler.

2:19:10They had to kind of demo about my birthday.

2:19:13And since it was my birthday, I guess they call up the birthday

2:19:17boy and say, hey, do you want to sue my wrestle?

2:19:20This is where, like, it's a similar weight differential.

2:19:23It was 50% heavier than me.

2:19:25So I got a 360, 370 pounds.

2:19:30And I knew you would take it easy on me in the first round.

2:19:34So the only way I'm going to knock him over is momentum.

2:19:38So I got to basically run at him.

2:19:40So I did.

2:19:42Run at him, did a judo throw, knocked him over, and smashed

2:19:45a disc in my neck in the process.

2:19:47Ooh.

2:19:48Yeah.

2:19:49It's like running at that wall.

2:19:50If you run out of wall, it's going to hurt.

2:19:53Did you have to get it fused or anything?

2:19:56Yeah.

2:19:57Oh, man.

2:19:58That's the key.

2:19:59So it's like you can knock over someone.

2:20:01You can do something bigger than you're willing to smash a disc in your neck.

2:20:06Well, if you know what you're doing and you're willing to smash a disc in your neck, those

2:20:11two things.

2:20:12So he wasn't expecting me to beat a total lunatic on round one.

2:20:15And he defeated me obviously in round two and three because he was like, oh, now he knows

2:20:20what to expect.

2:20:21But so I like five minutes of glory and a decade of pain.

2:20:27Now you've got your neck fused that creates problems with the upper and lower discs as

2:20:35well, doesn't it?

2:20:37Over time, if there's too much neck rotation, it can be damaged.

2:20:41How long ago was this that you had this operation?

2:20:43It's a lot of man. I had three operations.

2:20:47Well, you got infused how long ago?

2:20:49I had two artificial discs and I'm actually in favor of artificial discs.

2:20:52They put the wrong ones wrong disc in but then eventually the third one is like let's just

2:20:56fuse it.

2:20:57They put the wrong one in?

2:21:00Yeah, twice.

2:21:01Well, how so?

2:21:04Because I have friends that have artificial discs.

2:21:06Yeah, and I'm actually in favor of artificial discs.

2:21:08You just need to have the right one.

2:21:09So in my case, at this point I know a lot about it, the C5C6 right facet is impacting.

2:21:19The facets are like the outriggers, you've got the center core of the spine, the facets

2:21:22of the outriggers, and they're shingled.

2:21:25So they're like one on top of the other like this.

2:21:27There's a little nerve that goes out in between the C5C6.

2:21:32And if those vertebrae come close together, they grind the nerve.

2:21:37So you get the node, they just sort of start shearing the nerve.

2:21:42Now, so my C5C6 right for center, it shows up clear as day on like a

2:21:52technetium scan.

2:21:53So if you could do like a radioactive scan with technetium,

2:21:57it's very clear where the problem is.

2:22:01So what should have been done was a simple hinge, like, you know,

2:22:07Basically, to move the vertebrae, basically the C5 vertebra

2:22:14back about maybe an eighth of an inch to sort of unload the

2:22:18facade and then put a simple hinge.

2:22:20So just rotation.

2:22:23But I was given one is called a Moby-C, which is a

2:22:26more mobile disc.

2:22:28The Moby-C allows it not just rotation, but also

2:22:31translation.

2:22:32So it can move back and forth.

2:22:33So that then didn't solve the impacting of the C5C6,

2:22:38because it could slide.

2:22:41And when it would slide forward, the C5C6 would bang

2:22:44and crunch the nove.

2:22:46And what does the normal neck do?

2:22:49Does the normal neck move forward in that way?

2:22:52The disc is like a gummy bear, basically, normally.

2:22:55So it allows rotation and translation.

2:22:58So it's like sitting on a jello pillow.

2:23:02That's what this is.

2:23:03one of those BOSU balls that people sit on sometimes.

2:23:05They were at a desk.

2:23:07Like a rubber pillow, basically.

2:23:08Yeah.

2:23:12So the natural disk allows for rotation and translation.

2:23:17So they basically put a disk that had too much mobility in

2:23:22and did not solve the C5C6 nove impact.

2:23:25So then the third time around is like, listen,

2:23:29I just don't want to take a chance here.

2:23:31Let's just fuse it.

2:23:35And so just limits your mobility.

2:23:37No, I'm fine.

2:23:37I'm like I can look right left.

2:23:40It's OK.

2:23:40Yeah, that's OK.

2:23:42Yeah.

2:23:42Not like, you know, totally stuff next.

2:23:44No, you don't seem like you're stiff neck at all.

2:23:47No.

2:23:48There was a guy who fought the UFC named Jo Albermeryl,

2:23:50and he's a real freak too, an amazing athlete.

2:23:54And he came from the Cuban wrestling program.

2:23:57He was one of the greatest wrestlers

2:23:59that's ever competed in amateur wars.

2:24:01He had his entire neck fused.

2:24:03And when he runs, like his neck doesn't move,

2:24:05it's kind of freakish.

2:24:06Okay.

2:24:07Like you see him running and his neck looks like it's a stick.

2:24:10Wow.

2:24:11And the whole body is like moving around

2:24:14but the neck is just locked in place.

2:24:16It's very bizarre to look at.

2:24:18I mean, he runs like a man whose entire neck is fused.

2:24:23Like watch him, see if you can show the image of him.

2:24:25Here, watch him run.

2:24:27Wow.

2:24:28See how it was neck?

2:24:28He's in good shape.

2:24:29Oh yeah, you think?

2:24:32I mean, you don't get in any better shape than this guy.

2:24:35By the way, he looks like that now,

2:24:37and he's 46, 47 years old,

2:24:39and still competing at the highest level in Bellator.

2:24:43I mean, he's an unbelievable athlete,

2:24:46and one of the most explosive guys

2:24:48has ever fought in this sport.

2:24:49Just insanely powerful and fast.

2:24:51Yeah, cool.

2:24:55So, you competed the highest level with your neck fused.

2:24:58Yeah, yeah, yeah.

2:24:59I'm not too worried about that.

2:25:00Algermane Sterling, who was the UFC Band of Way champion,

2:25:03He got his neck fused and got a disreplace rather than his neck and then went on to defend

2:25:09his title three times.

2:25:13Still fighting at the highest level.

2:25:15A little fake disc in his neck.

2:25:16Well, I guess it'll be okay then.

2:25:19Yeah, well, medical science is pretty fucking incredible what they can do now.

2:25:24I mean, injuries that would have been fucked for the rest of your life.

2:25:29Just a few decades ago.

2:25:30Yeah.

2:25:31Now you're good to go.

2:25:33Yeah.

2:25:34I'm excited we've kind of rekindled this zuck versus Elon fire.

2:25:38I mean he's checking out what that's the I don't think he's checking out.

2:25:40Yeah, so is this chicken out? Do you think so? Yeah.

2:25:42Fuck fuck fuck fuck. Well maybe he's on the same.

2:25:45I'll go into fighting using taunts. It might work.

2:25:52Yeah. I mean somehow or another you got on the first place.

2:25:57I was stunned. Surely he will respond to a taunt like that. Yeah surely.

2:26:02I mean, how can you resist?

2:26:05How can you resist?

2:26:06Yeah, exactly.

2:26:08Let's go full of schoolyard taunting.

2:26:11What if there was like real consequences on the line?

2:26:14Like, what if you guys had a real bet?

2:26:16Okay.

2:26:17Like the moderation team from X takes over moderation of Facebook if you went.

2:26:20No problem.

2:26:21Sounds good.

2:26:22And if he wins, vice versa.

2:26:24There's a fight for civilization.

2:26:25Yeah.

2:26:26A literal fight for civilization.

2:26:28I mean, I'll do it.

2:26:30Wow, heavy.

2:26:32True.

2:26:34And you want to even train for this?

2:26:36No, I'd train a little bit.

2:26:37Train a little bit?

2:26:38Yeah.

2:26:39Like how many weeks you need?

2:26:42I mean, I don't have to train.

2:26:43I could do it like tomorrow.

2:26:46I tried going to his house, actually.

2:26:48Did you really?

2:26:49Yeah, because he lives in Palo Alto.

2:26:51And we're doing some, you know, Tesla full self-driving testing.

2:26:55So I'm like, well, I've got to pick a destination list.

2:26:57Did you press the button, go to do, navigate to Zuck's house?

2:27:00Yeah, basically.

2:27:01It's not far. He's like a like is like three miles away from the Tesla

2:27:06California headquarters. Wow. But I don't know if there's nobody there.

2:27:12He's probably in Hawaii. According to a spokesman he was traveling.

2:27:16Oh yeah. It was in a while if he was there.

2:27:20Yeah. I literally like anytime. I just thought it was funny to go like you know

2:27:26I'm coming over to your house.

2:27:27I'm going to get you.

2:27:30Well, it's even more funny,

2:27:32where it's two of the richest guys in the world.

2:27:34Yeah.

2:27:34Yeah.

2:27:36So anyway, you didn't answer.

2:27:39Well, too bad.

2:27:41Yeah, too bad.

2:27:42It's just fun.

2:27:45It's fun.

2:27:45And I'm glad you're just for the fun of it.

2:27:48I mean, I think it would be, well, actually, like Dana

2:27:51didn't want to think so.

2:27:52It would be like the really big ticket fund.

2:27:55It would be fucking huge.

2:27:56I would commentate on that.

2:27:58Yeah, I mean the proceeds could go to charity and stuff.

2:28:00It'd be cool.

2:28:01It'd be crazy.

2:28:02If people would want to see what the hell's going on.

2:28:03Oh my god, it would be fucking huge.

2:28:05Yeah.

2:28:06Yeah.

2:28:06It would be really crazy.

2:28:08Crazy.

2:28:08Like if they close the thing and Bruce Buffer is in there,

2:28:13yeah, it's time.

2:28:15Let's go.

2:28:15The place would go fucking bananas.

2:28:17Bananas.

2:28:18Yeah.

2:28:19Yeah.

2:28:20Let's do it.

2:28:21Does it have to be in the Coliseum?

2:28:22Would you agree?

2:28:22No, I'll do it anywhere.

2:28:24I literally said anywhere, anytime, any rules.

2:28:28You know you should do it.

2:28:29The sphere in Las Vegas.

2:28:30The sphere is great.

2:28:31The sphere is amazing.

2:28:33It's amazing.

2:28:33It's amazing.

2:28:34Yeah, I was there.

2:28:35I've only seen it on the outside, but it looks good.

2:28:37No, the inside's even better.

2:28:38I've seen video.

2:28:39I haven't seen it live.

2:28:39But I was there on Saturday night.

2:28:41And it was, it's awesome.

2:28:44Like it's really good.

2:28:45I think it might be the best show on Earth.

2:28:46Oh yeah.

2:28:47Yeah.

2:28:48I mean, if you have visuals that accompany the music,

2:28:51Like if you have like some of like Roger Waters,

2:28:54like which his show was like insanely visual,

2:28:57something like that.

2:28:58And the sphere would be incredible.

2:28:59The art in the show that I saw on Saturday night

2:29:01was incredibly good.

2:29:03I don't know who did all the art, but.

2:29:05What was the band?

2:29:06I was U2.

2:29:07Oh yeah, yeah.

2:29:08But I mean I've been to U2 concerts and U2 is great,

2:29:10but the sphere is really,

2:29:14like if U2 hadn't been there, it'll be great.

2:29:17Yeah.

2:29:18It's like a, you know, like on Sunday there was a movie,

2:29:23there was a movie there.

2:29:25Whoa.

2:29:26Maybe a look in all directions.

2:29:30Oh my God.

2:29:31Yeah.

2:29:32Are you listening?

2:29:33I mean, it's like actually being like in virtual reality.

2:29:36Yeah.

2:29:36In fact, it was such, it was so wild,

2:29:38the Saturday night one especially,

2:29:41that you step outside after the show

2:29:44and like, why is reality so boring?

2:29:46Oh, so this is a postcard from Earth.

2:29:50Darren Aronofsky is the thing.

2:29:52Oh, wow, and you're watching this.

2:29:54I saw that on Sunday.

2:29:55And it covers the whole ceiling.

2:29:57Oh, my God.

2:29:58It's really great.

2:29:59You saw it there?

2:30:00Yeah.

2:30:01Oh, my God.

2:30:02That's incredible.

2:30:04Yeah, it's really good.

2:30:05That'd be the greatest scene movie ever.

2:30:07I think it's like Saturday Night.

2:30:10The Saturday Night show, and obviously YouTube asks to it,

2:30:12but I can say the sphere is really special in and of itself.

2:30:16I think it's probably the best show I've seen.

2:30:19Wow.

2:30:20Yeah.

2:30:21I can imagine.

2:30:22I mean, it's just what an amazing venue and what an incredible idea.

2:30:24Yeah, it's really cool.

2:30:25To have the entire ceiling, all screen.

2:30:28Yeah.

2:30:29I got to hand it to Dolan.

2:30:30That was pretty good.

2:30:31Amazing.

2:30:32Yeah.

2:30:33Absolutely amazing.

2:30:34I'm so glad that he did that.

2:30:35And then also the outside.

2:30:36Oh, that's incredible.

2:30:37I mean, they're really play with perspective.

2:30:38God, that's incredible.

2:30:39Because it's round, but it does look round.

2:30:42Right.

2:30:43So it'll be like, it'll simulate like a square, like all sorts of stuff.

2:30:46shapes. Wow. And then also the outside of it. Like they had the outside of it.

2:30:51It looked like Earth. It's just amazing. It's really cool. Yeah. Super cool. So I

2:30:56like these epic things. That's the venue. You know, it's really cool. That's the

2:31:00venue. That's where it needs to go down. In the spirit? Sure. Yeah. That's even

2:31:04better than Colseum. Okay. Yeah. Especially if the United States falls,

2:31:07that would be our Colseum. This would be our Rome. Vegas will be our Rome. I mean

2:31:12The spirit that reminded me of being like a modern day called see him. Yeah

2:31:17Yeah, like a modern day version like what would they do? Yeah with our technology currently

2:31:22Yeah, and then Vegas is like kind of Rome-esque in the sense that when we think about like the the hedonism of Rome

2:31:29It's final days. That's Vegas. Yeah. Yeah, perfect. Yeah, let's go. Let's go

2:31:36So, are you not entertained?

2:31:40You will fucking be entertained.

2:31:42You'll be fucking entertained.

2:31:43You'll be fucking entertained.

2:31:44So entertained.

2:31:45No doubt.

2:31:46Let's do it.

2:31:49Just one point in time, you were trying to get people to do a pause on AI.

2:31:55I mean I signed on to a letter that someone else wrote.

2:31:57I didn't think that people would actually pause.

2:32:01But you thought it was probably a good idea if they did.

2:32:05I mean, yeah.

2:32:07I mean, making some sort of digital super intelligence seems like it could be dangerous.

2:32:15It certainly has a potential, and certainly has a potential.

2:32:20Well when you were talking about what this mind virus, how it was able to propagate through

2:32:28the social media and being controlled social media platforms, think about what that means

2:32:35if that same mind virus gets in control of a super intelligence.

2:32:40And that is possible.

2:32:41Yeah, that's actually what I think the biggest danger is for AI is that if AI is implicitly

2:32:47programmed, I don't think they're explicitly, but implicitly programmed with values that

2:32:52lead to, that have led to the destruction of downtown San Francisco and a bunch of these

2:32:58these AI companies are in the San Francisco area, then you could implicitly program an

2:33:07AI to believe that extinction of humanity is what it should try to do.

2:33:11I mean, if you take that guy who was on the front pages in your times and you take his

2:33:16philosophy, which is prevalent in San Francisco, the AI could conclude like he did where he

2:33:27literally says there are 8 billion people and it would be better if there were none and

2:33:33engineer that outcome.

2:33:35Yeah. Well especially if it doesn't need us anymore. If it becomes sentient and then has

2:33:41the ability to make its own decisions and make a better version of itself, it would find

2:33:47us to be nothing but a problem. Like we have nothing to offer anymore.

2:33:51It's a risk.

2:33:52Yeah it is a risk. So you know and like if you query chat GPT, it's a risk. It's a risk.

2:33:57query chatcheby tea, I mean, it's pretty work, you know.

2:34:00Yeah.

2:34:01So, I mean, people did like experiments like

2:34:06right-of-home praising Donald Trump and they won't.

2:34:09But he asked right-of-home praising Joe Biden and it will.

2:34:11Yeah.

2:34:12So I'm like, hmm, you know.

2:34:14That's a little sketchy.

2:34:15Yeah.

2:34:16Well, it's unfortunately, it's programmed.

2:34:19And, yeah.

2:34:20It's programmed to be that way.

2:34:22Is it possible to overcome those problems?

2:34:27Is it possible that we could realize the dangers that are involved in creating this, but somehow

2:34:33are another engineer in a way that would be ultimately beneficial to people? Or is that

2:34:38just a whim? As a hope and a prayer, utopian version of what could happen versus the most likely

2:34:44outcome? If you say, what is the most likely outcome, I think the most likely outcome to be

2:34:57specific about it is a good outcome, most likely a good outcome, but it's not for sure.

2:35:01So I think we have to be careful how we program the AI and make sure that it is not accidentally anti-human.

2:35:12So the accidentally extinctionist AI, you wouldn't want that.

2:35:24Or even pruning.

2:35:28Well, that is kind of how it works, is that these, what they call large language models,

2:35:34but it's really just a big pile of numbers.

2:35:40And how you tune those numbers matters.

2:35:44It's like pruning a tree.

2:35:46You could have a mighty oak.

2:35:48You could be a little bonsai or a mighty oak.

2:35:51So, depending on how you prune it.

2:35:54Right.

2:35:55That's what I'm saying.

2:35:56if it decided to prune, if it decided the real issue,

2:36:02perhaps, we cause problems.

2:36:05Or maybe it would prune places in the world

2:36:07that are overwhelmingly polluting,

2:36:11like third world countries.

2:36:13Maybe it would decide that they're not very necessary,

2:36:15particularly if we use computers or AI or some sort

2:36:20of robotics to do human labor.

2:36:23And then you have these areas where human beings are doing

2:36:26this labor and they're polluting and you know there's all sorts of issues that come

2:36:31about because of that. You say well we just eliminate those people, we eliminate that issue

2:36:35and then we have 30% less garbage in the ocean. And then it makes this call.

2:36:40Yeah. Yeah.

2:36:42It's something we should be attinement. And I actually need to go. Oh shit I need to

2:36:52go. Should we wrap it up? Yeah. Because I have to go to the airport. I've tried to

2:36:57to London.

2:36:58Yeah, you were swinging that.

2:37:05Yeah, just for AI safety.

2:37:07The AI safety conference in London.

2:37:10So yeah, I'm leaving again about an hour and a half.

2:37:15What do you hope to get out of this conference?

2:37:19Well, I don't know.

2:37:36I mean, I'm just generally concerned about AI safety, but it's like what should we do

2:37:42about it, I don't know, have some kind of regulatory oversight, some kind. It's like

2:37:54you can't just go build a nuclear bomb in your backyard, you know, that's against the

2:37:58law and you get thrown in prison if you do that.

2:38:01How much of a concern is it?

2:38:02I think maybe more dangerous than a nuclear bomb.

2:38:05Really?

2:38:08Yes.

2:38:09How much of a concern is it if another country develops it before us?

2:38:19I don't know if that...

2:38:21We should be concerned about AI being anti-human.

2:38:27That's the sort of thing that matters.

2:38:31So, potentially.

2:38:34I'm saying it's like a genie...

2:38:37Learning a genie out of a bottle.

2:38:39It's sort of like a magic genie that can make wishes come true.

2:38:43Except, usually when they tell those stories that doesn't end well

2:38:48the person who let the geniala vote.

2:38:51Right.

2:38:54Do you think we're creating a life form?

2:39:00Yeah.

2:39:01I mean, it's something that is indistinguishable from intelligence and

2:39:04intelligent life form, certainly.

2:39:06I keep coming up against this idea.

2:39:08I keep banging it in my head that we're some sort of an electronic caterpillar

2:39:13that's creating a cocoon.

2:39:14And we don't even realize what we're doing.

2:39:17And we're about to give birth to some technological butterfly.

2:39:22Yeah.

2:39:23Yeah, well, I think that's we're on the cusp of an artificial intelligence revolution

2:39:38and

2:39:40you know for the longest time or

2:39:46Or for a very long time

2:39:48We've been the smartest creatures on earth. That's been our defining characteristic. I mean, I mean speaking of martial arts

2:39:54I mean, I don't think anyone should challenge a solo Vacherilla to a fight

2:39:59You know, even if you're very good at wash lots that things gonna kill you

2:40:04It literally walks on its fists.

2:40:09Those fists meet your face, the game over.

2:40:15So we're not stronger than a gorilla.

2:40:18We're not faster than other animals.

2:40:22We're smarter.

2:40:26Now what happens when there's something way smarter than us?

2:40:32Where does it go?

2:40:33It's a good question.

2:40:35Well listen, go talk to those people.

2:40:38Go school them.

2:40:39I hope something good comes out of it.

2:40:42Thank you for your time.

2:40:44Appreciate you coming in here.

2:40:45It's been fun.

2:40:46Always good to see you.

2:40:48Thank you. Thanks for everything man.

2:40:49Thanks for buying Twitter too.

2:40:50Really, it means a lot to people.

2:40:53That was aspirationally a force we can.

2:40:55I think at the very least it stopped a lot of bad.

2:40:58Yeah. Good.

2:41:00All right. Bye everybody.

2:41:01All right.