乔·罗根体验 #2404：马斯克

0:01Joe Rogan flying fast, check it out.

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0:09Exactly.

0:13This is every morning. What do we do with Jeff Bezos?

0:16He looks definitely doing some Jeff Bezos.

0:19He looks jacked, right?

0:22Yeah, but he's like quick.

0:24Quick. Quick.

0:26He's like, he got jacked quick.

0:28At age like 50, at age 59 in less than a year,

0:32He went from pencil net geek to looking like the rock.

0:38Yeah, like a little miniature alpha fella.

0:40Yeah, like his neck got bigger than his head.

0:43Yeah, but then like his earlier pictures,

0:45his neck's like a noodle.

0:46I support this activity.

0:48I'll just see him going in this direction.

0:49Which is fine, and his voice dropped like two octaves.

0:52I want you to move in that direction as well.

0:54I think we can achieve this.

0:55I mean, I think we can achieve.

0:58Gage a chad.

0:59That's what people called it.

1:02Where is that guy?

1:03People?

1:04I don't know where he is.

1:05That's like a real guy.

1:07The artist?

1:08Yeah.

1:09Well, dig a chat.

1:10Yeah.

1:11I don't know if that's a real guy.

1:12It's not a real guy.

1:13It is a real guy.

1:14He's got the crazy jaw and like perfect sculpted hair.

1:17Yeah.

1:18Well, I mean, they may have exaggerated a little bit, but, but no, I think he actually just

1:23kind of looked like that in reality.

1:26So like, like, you said, pretty unique looking individual.

1:30I think we can achieve this.

1:31That guy right there.

1:32That's a real guy.

1:35I always thought that was CGI.

1:37No, I think one of I think the upper right one is not in my that's not.

1:42That went to the left of that.

1:43Like that's real.

1:44No, that's that's art and facial.

1:46Well, that's fake.

1:47That's got that uncanny valley feel to it.

1:49Doesn't it?

1:51It's it's not impossible.

1:52No, no, it's not possible to achieve, but it's not it's not possible to

1:56maintain that kind of leanness.

1:57No, no.

1:58I mean, that's like, you're also at that point,

2:01you're dehydrating in all sorts of things.

2:04Oh, it's based on a real purse.

2:06Yeah, yeah, based on a real purse.

2:06Right, but it's not a real purse.

2:08What does he really look like?

2:09Those images, I think, are bullshit.

2:11Some of them are, is that real?

2:14OK, that looks real.

2:15Those are really Jack bodybuilder.

2:17Yeah.

2:18Yeah, that looks real.

2:19Like, that's achievable.

2:21But there's a few of those images, right?

2:22Just like what's going on here.

2:24Yeah, yeah, yeah, totally.

2:25Well, I mean you see it.

2:27I think is that the eye?

2:29That's the real dude.

2:30Well, there's that Icelandic dude who's Thor.

2:33Oh, yeah, the guy who jumps in the frozen lakes and shit.

2:36Well, the guy who played the mountain.

2:38Oh, that guy.

2:39That is like a mutant strong human.

2:43Yes.

2:44Like he would be in like the X-Men or something.

2:47I mean, he's just like not like a...

2:50And you know that I've seen that meme,

2:53that mean tent and tent bag. You know how like it's like it's really hard to get the tent

2:59and tent and tent. Oh right right. That's true. There's a picture of him and his girlfriend.

3:07Oh right. That's a big. That's a big area. Yeah that's why. I don't know how it gets in there.

3:14You know it's like seems too small. I met Brian Shaw. Brian Shaw is like the world's most powerful

3:20man and he's almost seven feet tall, he's 400 pounds, and his bone density is one in

3:29500 million people. So there's one, it's like, there's like maybe 16 people. He's an enormous

3:37human being. Like a legitimate giant, just like that guy. But we met him, it was hanging

3:42out with us in the green room of the mothership, but it's like, okay, if this was like David

3:46and Goliath days, like this is an actual giant, like the giants of the Bible.

3:50while they get a super giant person. This is a real one. Like not a tall skinny basketball player.

3:55Yeah, yeah. Like a seven foot 400 pound power lifter. Like you don't want to especially

4:00him. That's the guy. See if there's a photo of him standing next to like a regular human.

4:05There it is. Yeah. That's him right there. Like this, like, there's like one of him with next

4:08to standing next to Arnold and stuff. Yeah. And it's where everyone, everyone just looks tiny.

4:13I mean, I think it's pretty cool dude actually. Oh, Brian's very cool. Very smart too. Unusually,

4:18You expect anybody to be that big, it's got to be a moron.

4:21Yeah, but yeah.

4:23There was under the giant who was awesome.

4:26Yeah.

4:27He was great in Princess Bride.

4:29No, he was just an awesome period.

4:30Yeah, yeah.

4:31So we were talking about this interview

4:34with Sam Altman and Tucker.

4:37And I was like, we should probably just talk about this

4:38on there.

4:39Because it is one of the craziest interviews

4:41I think I've ever seen in my life,

4:43where Tucker starts bringing up this guy who was the boy.

4:47Blur or whatever.

4:48A whistleblower who committed suicide,

4:52but doesn't look like it.

4:53And he's talking to Sam Altman about this,

4:56and Sam Altman was like, are you accusing me?

4:58He's like, no, no, no, I'm not, I'm just saying,

5:02I think someone killed him.

5:03Yeah.

5:04And it should be investigated.

5:05Yeah.

5:07Not just drop the case.

5:09It seems like.

5:10They just drop the case, yeah, yeah.

5:11It seems like it was murdered.

5:13Yeah.

5:14The wires to a security camera were cut.

5:16Blood in two rooms.

5:18Blood in two rooms. Someone else's wig was in the room.

5:20Someone else's wig.

5:21Wig.

5:22Wig.

5:23Yes.

5:24Not normal.

5:25Not normal to have a wig laying around.

5:27Yes. And he ordered DoorDash right before allegedly committing suicide.

5:33Yeah.

5:34Which seems unusual.

5:36Yeah.

5:37It's like, you know, let's, I'm going to order pizza on second thoughts, I'll kill myself.

5:40It seems like that's a very rapid change in mindset.

5:44It's very weird and especially the parents have

5:48They they don't believe he committed suicide at all has no note or anything. No, yeah

5:53It seems pretty fucked up and you know the idea that a little blower for an enormous AI company

5:59That's worth billions of dollars might get whacked. That's not outside the pale. I

6:04Mean straight out of a movie right out of a movie, but right out of a movie is real sometimes. Yeah, right?

6:09Exactly.

6:10Right?

6:11Right?

6:12It's a little weird that I think they should do a proper investigation.

6:15Like what's the downside on that proper investigation?

6:18Right.

6:19No.

6:20Yeah.

6:21For sure.

6:22Yeah.

6:23But the whole exchange is so bizarre.

6:24Yeah, yeah.

6:25It's Sam Altman's reaction to being accused of murders bizarre.

6:28Look, I don't know if he is guilty, but it's not possible to look more guilty.

6:32That's what I'm like.

6:36Or look more weird.

6:37Yeah.

6:38maybe it's just his social thing.

6:42Like maybe he's just awed with confrontation

6:44and it just goes blank.

6:47You know?

6:48But if somebody was accusing me of killing Jamie,

6:51like if Jamie was a whistleblower and Jamie got whacked

6:53and then I'd be like, wait, what do you,

6:55what are you accusing me of killing my friend?

6:57Look, what the fuck are you talking about?

6:59I would be a little bit more irate.

7:02Yeah, yeah, exactly.

7:04I would be a little upset.

7:05Yeah, it'd be like, well, you'd certainly insist on a thorough investigation, as opposed

7:13to trying to swoop it under the rug.

7:15Yeah, I wouldn't assume that he committed suicide.

7:18I would be suspicious if Tucker was telling me that aspect of the story.

7:22I'd be like, that does seem like a murder.

7:24Fuck, we should look into this.

7:25I mean, all signs point to it being a murder.

7:27Not saying, you know, it's not all been anything to do with the murder, but-

7:30Blood in two rooms.

7:31Blood in two rooms.

7:32like, yeah, this, the wires to security camera and the door dash being ordered right before

7:38suicide. No suicide. No, his parents think he was murdered and the people that I know

7:44who knew him said he was not suicidal. So I'm like, this, why would you jump to the

7:51conclusion?

7:52They sued the son's landlord, alleged the owners and the managers of the San Francisco

7:57apartment building were part of a widespread cover up of his death.

7:59The landlord?

8:00Yeah, there's a bunch of weird, they said there's like packages missing from the building.

8:04Some people said this, all packages still be delivered and all of a sudden they all disappeared.

8:07Huh, but that could be.

8:10People steal people's packages all the time.

8:12They're a porch pirate situation.

8:13Yeah.

8:14Yeah.

8:15This is, they failed to safeguard.

8:16Also, I mean, the amount of trauma, those poor parents have gone through with their son

8:20dying like that.

8:21I mean, it must, God bless them.

8:24And how could they stay sane after something like that?

8:27probably they're so grief-stricken who knows what they believe at this point

8:32yeah he's it should have asked if Epstein killed himself that's the cash

8:40with the camera with a damn bungee I'm trying to convince everybody of that

8:44the guards weren't there and the camera stopped working and you know the guards

8:51were asleep the cameras weren't working he had a giant steroided up bodybuilder

8:57God that he was sharing a cell with that was a murderer who was a bad cop

9:01Like all of it's kind of nuts all of it's kind of nuts

9:05Like that he would just kill himself rather than reveal all of his billionaire friends

9:11Yeah, and then

9:15I did he like Chris Cuomo just looked so stupid

9:19Tim just listened up all the time.

9:22Tim just, and he's like, I agree, it is strange.

9:24Like of course it's strange, Chris.

9:26Jesus Christ, you can't just go with the tide.

9:30You gotta think things through.

9:32And if you think that one through,

9:33you're like, I don't think he killed himself.

9:35Nobody does.

9:36You don't have to work for an intelligence agency

9:38to think he killed himself.

9:40It does seem unlikely.

9:42It seems highly unlikely.

9:44It seems highly unlikely.

9:45Highly, highly unlikely.

9:47I don't like it.

9:47It's 0.2 murder.

9:49The point to they had to get rid of him because he knew too much.

9:52Whatever the fuck he was doing, whatever kind of an asset he was, whatever thing he was up to,

9:58you know, was apparently very effective.

10:01Yes.

10:01And a lot of people were compromised.

10:04You see, your boy Bill Gates is now saying climate change is not a big deal.

10:08They relax everybody.

10:09I know I scared the fuck out of you for the last decade and a half, but we're going to be fine.

10:16Yeah.

10:17I mean, you know, as I was saying, just before coming into the studio, you know,

10:23like every day there's some crazy, wild new thing that's happening.

10:27It feels like reality is accelerating.

10:29It's every day and every day it's like more and more ridiculous

10:35to the point where the simulation is more and more undeniable.

10:37Yeah. Yeah. It really feels like simulation.

10:39You know, it's like, come on.

10:40What are the odds that this could be the case?

10:42Are you paying attention at all to three eye atlas?

10:45Are you watching?

10:46The comment?

10:46Yeah, whatever it is.

10:49Yeah, yeah.

10:49I mean, one thing I can say is like, look,

10:54if I was aware of any evidence of aliens,

10:59Joe, you have my word, I will come on your show

11:01and I will reveal it on the show.

11:03OK.

11:04Yeah.

11:04That's a good deal.

11:05Yeah, that's pretty good deal.

11:06I believe you.

11:06Yeah, thank you.

11:06Appreciate that.

11:08I'll keep my promises.

11:09So all right, I'll hold you to that.

11:12Yeah, I don't.

11:13And I'm never committing suicide, to be clear.

11:15I don't think you would either on camera guys. I am

11:21Ever if someone says you committed suicide. I will fight tooth and nail. Thank you. I will fight you to nail

11:26I will I will not believe it. I will not believe it

11:29The thing about the three eye atlas is it's a name actually yeah, it's a third eye or something. Yeah

11:37Three eyes a third. It's only the third interstellar object that's detected. Okay. Yeah

11:45Yeah, yeah

11:47Avi Lobe is on the podcast a couple days ago talking about it. Yeah, it could be on these I know but apparently today

11:53They're saying that it's changed course

11:56Did you see that Jamie?

11:58Avi Lobe said something today. I'll send it to you

12:04I know it's on Reddit. Hey go jammy. I'll send it to you right now

12:11It's fascinating. It's fascinating also because it's made almost entirely of nickel whatever it is

12:17And the only way that exists here is industrial alloys apparently

12:22But there are there are there are definitely

12:25Comments that an asteroids that are made primarily of nickel. Yeah, so the the places where

12:33You mind nickel on earth is actually where there was an asteroid a comet that hit earth that was in nickel rich

12:39You know

12:41rich, rich, rich, rich deposit.

12:43Yeah, that's coming.

12:45Those are from impacts.

12:47You definitely didn't want to be there at the time

12:48because anything would have been obliterated.

12:50But that's where the sources of nickel and cobalt

12:53are these days.

12:54So this is Avi Lo, a few hours ago,

12:55the first hint of non-gravitational acceleration

12:58that something other than gravity is affecting

12:59its acceleration, meaning something is affecting,

13:02its trajectory beyond gravity was indicated.

13:05Interesting.

13:06Dun, dun, dun.

13:07So it's mostly nickel, very little iron, which he was saying is on Earth.

13:18It only exists in alloys.

13:21But whatever you're dealing with another planet.

13:24There are cases where there's very nickel-rich asteroids mean Earth.

13:29That's what it does.

13:30Something from space.

13:31Yeah, it doesn't mean it's…

13:33It'd be very sort of heavy spaceship to make it all out of nickel.

13:36Oh, yeah.

13:37And fucking huge, the size of Manhattan and all nickel, that's kind of nuts.

13:41Yeah, that's a heavy space.

13:43That's a real problem if it hits.

13:45Yes.

13:46No, we would like to obliterate a continent, everything.

13:48Yeah.

13:49Maybe it was.

13:50Yeah, I'll probably kill most of human life.

13:53If not all of us.

13:54I don't know, it depends on what the total mass is, but there's, I mean, the thing is

13:59in the fossil record, there are, you know, there's like arguably five major extinction

14:05events, like the biggest one of which is the Permian extinction, where almost all life

14:10was eliminated. That I could see a quote of several million years. There's the Jurassic.

14:16I think Jurassic is, I think that one's pretty definitively an asteroid. But there's five

14:25major extinction events. But what they don't count are really the ones that merely take out

14:30a continent. Merely?

14:32yearly. Yeah, because those don't really show up on the fossil record, you know.

14:35Right. So unless it's enough to cause a mass extinction event throughout Earth, it doesn't

14:42show up on, you know, in a fossil record that's 200 million years old. So yeah, but

14:51there have been many impacts that would have sort of destroyed all life on, you know,

14:58let's say half of North America or something like that.

15:01The many such impacts, through the course of history.

15:03Yeah, and there's nothing we could do about it right now.

15:07Yeah, there was one that,

15:09one that hit Siberia and destroyed,

15:11I think, if you're under square miles.

15:14Oh, that's the Tunguska.

15:15Yeah, that's the one from the 1920s, right?

15:18Yeah.

15:19Yeah, that's the one that coincides with that meteor

15:20that comets storm that we go through

15:24every June and every November,

15:25that they think is responsible

15:27for that younger, driest impact.

15:29Yeah.

15:30Oh, that shit's crazy.

15:33Thank you.

15:34Before we go any further for letting us have a tourist base

15:37ex and letting us be there for the rocket launch.

15:41One of the absolute coolest things I've ever seen in my life.

15:45And we thought it was only like, I thought it was a half a mile.

15:50Jamie's like it was a mile away.

15:51Turn it out it's almost two miles away.

15:53And you feel it in your chest.

15:55You have to wear ear plugs.

15:57and you feel it in your chest and it's two miles away.

16:00It was fucking amazing.

16:02And then to go with you up into the command center

16:05and to watch all the Starlink satellites

16:07with all the different cameras and all in real time

16:11as it made its way all the way to Australia.

16:14How many minutes, like 35, 40 minutes?

16:15Yeah.

16:16Wild, watch it touchdown in Australia.

16:19Yeah.

16:20Fucking crazy.

16:21It was amazing.

16:22Yeah, yeah.

16:23Absolutely amazing.

16:24The Starship's awesome.

16:26And anyone can go watch the launch, actually.

16:28So you can just go to South Padre Island,

16:30get as great view of the launch.

16:32So it's like where a lot of spring breakers go.

16:37But we're flying pretty frequently

16:38out of Starbase and South Texas.

16:40And we formerly incorporated it as a city.

16:42So it's actually a legally,

16:44natural legal city, Starbase, Texas.

16:47It's not that often you hear like,

16:48hey, we made a city, you know?

16:50That used to be like,

16:52like in the old days, like a startup would be,

16:54you go and gather a bunch of people and say,

16:56hey, let's go make a town.

16:57Literally, that would have been startups in the old days.

17:01Or a country.

17:02Yeah, or a country.

17:03Yeah, actually.

17:04You tried doing that today, but there'd be a real problem.

17:07Yeah, that's something like...

17:08Maybe there's so much set in stone on the country front,

17:10these are more or less.

17:11You might be able to pull it off.

17:13If you got a solid island, you might be able to pull it off.

17:16You know?

17:17It's probably.

17:18You know, like, like,

17:19Harry, can your country...

17:20Harry, can your country...

17:21Yeah, you could probably...

17:22Is this it?

17:23You've put enough effort into it.

17:24you can make in your country.

17:25This is one of the different ones.

17:26This is the one of the ones that you catch.

17:28Or is that one?

17:29Yeah, that's the booster.

17:30So that's the super heavy booster.

17:32So that's one of the boosters got 33 engines.

17:39And it's by version four that will have about 10,000

17:43tons of thrust in right now.

17:45It's about seven, 8,000 tons of thrust.

17:48But that's the largest flying object ever made.

17:51I had to explain to someone that they were going,

17:53What do they blow up all the time if you're so smart?

17:55Because there was this fucking idiot on television.

17:58Some guy was being interviewed and they were talking about you

18:01and he goes, oh, I think he's a fuckwit.

18:02And he goes, he's a fuckwit.

18:04And he goes, why do you say he's a fuckwit?

18:05Oh, his rockets keep blowing up.

18:07And someone said, yeah, well, why do his rockets blow?

18:08And I had to explain.

18:10Because it's the only way you find out what the tolerances are.

18:12You have to have to pull the coin off the box.

18:15So when you do a new rocket development program,

18:20You have to do what's called exploring the limits, the corners of the box where you say

18:24it's like worst case this, worst case that, to figure out where the limits are.

18:31So you blow up, not admittedly in the development process sometimes blows up accidentally, but

18:38we intentionally subject it to a flight regime that is much worse than what we expect in

18:45normal flight so that when we put people on board or a valuable cargo it doesn't blow

18:49up. So for example for the flight that you saw we actually deliberately took heat shield

18:58tiles off the ship, the start off of Starship in some of the worst locations to say okay

19:05if we lose a heat shield tile here is it catastrophic or is it not and we will, nonetheless Starship

19:13was able to do a soft landing in the Indian Ocean,

19:16just west of Australia.

19:19Which, and it got there from Texas in, like, I don't know,

19:2235, 40 minutes, everything.

19:24So it landed even though you put it through this situation

19:27where it has compromised fields.

19:29It had an unusually, we brought it in hot,

19:34like an extra hot trajectory with missing tiles

19:39to see if it would still make it to a soft landing,

19:41which it did.

19:42Now, I should point out, there were some holes that were burnt into it.

19:47But it was robust enough to land despite having some holes burnt into it.

19:53Because it's coming in like a blazing meteor.

19:55You can see the real time video.

19:57Well, tell me the speed again, because the speed was bananas.

20:00You were talking about the...

20:00Yeah, it's like 17,000 miles an hour.

20:02It was like 25 times the speed of sound are thereabouts.

20:06So think about it's like 12 times faster than a bullet

20:12from a soul rifle.

20:14Both of us were for apples around Mach 2.

20:16And it's huge.

20:18Yeah.

20:20Yeah.

20:21Or if you compare it like a bullet from a 45 or 9-mole,

20:27which is subsonic, it'll be about 30 times faster

20:30than a bullet from a handgun.

20:3230 times faster than a bullet from a handgun

20:34and it's the size of a skyscraper.

20:36Yes.

20:39Yeah.

20:40That's fast.

20:41It's so wild.

20:42It's so wild to see, man.

20:44It's so exciting.

20:46The factor is so exciting too, because genuinely, no bullshit.

20:51I felt like I was witnessing history.

20:54I felt like it was a scene in a movie

20:56where someone had expectations,

20:58and they're like, what are they doing?

20:59They're building rockets, and you go there.

21:01And as we're walking through,

21:03Jamie, you can speak to this too.

21:04Didn't you have the feeling

21:05where you're like, oh, this is way bigger than I thought it was.

21:09This is my first time.

21:11I can't do it.

21:12Fucking crazy.

21:13That's what she said.

21:13The amount of rockets you're making.

21:17I don't know if he gets back.

21:19Gage had in the house.

21:22I'm the way back.

21:23I don't know.

21:25It's a giant metal dick.

21:26You're fucking fucking the universe with your giant metal dick.

21:29Yeah, I mean, but yeah, it is very big.

21:32And the sheer numbers of them that you guys are making.

21:35And then this is a version and you have a new updated version that's coming soon.

21:42And what is the difference?

21:43Yes, it's a little longer.

21:45More pointy?

21:46Same amount of pointy.

21:49But it's got a bit more length.

21:52The interstate, you see that the interstate section with the kind of like the grow area.

21:58That's now integrated with the boost stage.

22:01So we do what's called hot staging, where we light the ship engines while it's still

22:07attached to the booster.

22:08So the booster engines are still thrusting, it's still being pushed forward by the booster

22:13of the ship, but then we light the ship engines and the ship engines actually pull away from

22:19the booster even though the booster engines are still firing.

22:22Whoa.

22:23So it's blasting flame through that grill section, but we integrate the grill section

22:28into the boot stage with the next version of the rocket.

22:34And the next version of the rocket

22:36will have the Raptor 3 engines, which are a huge improvement.

22:40You may have seen them in the lobby,

22:43because we got like the Raptor 1, 2, and 3.

22:45And you can see the dramatic improvement in simplicity.

22:49We should probably put a plaque there

22:50to also show how much we reduced the weight, the cost,

22:54and improve the efficiency and the thrust.

22:59So the Raptor 3 has almost twice the thrust of Raptor 1.

23:06Wow.

23:07So you see Raptor 3, it looks like it's got parts missing.

23:11And how many of them?

23:12It's very, very clean.

23:14How many of them are on the rocket?

23:15There's 33 on the booster.

23:18And each Raptor engine is producing twice as much thrust as all four engines on a 747.

23:30Wow.

23:32So that engine is smaller than a 747 engine, but it's producing almost ten times the thrust

23:40of a 747 engine.

23:44extremely high power to weight ratio. And so when you're designing these, you get to

23:53Raptor 1, you see its efficiency, you see where you can improve it, you get to Raptor 2. How

23:58far can you scale this up with just the same sort of technology with propellant and ignition

24:04and engines? Like how much further can you?

24:07We're pushing the limits of physics here.

24:14And really, in order to make a fully reusable orbital rocket, which no one has succeeded

24:20in doing yet, including us.

24:24But Starship is the first time that there is a design for a rocket where full and rapid

24:31with reusability is actually possible.

24:33So there's not even been a design before where it was

24:37possible, so you're not a design that got made any

24:41hardware at all.

24:44We live on a planet where the gravity is quite high.

24:49Like Earth's gravity is really quite high.

24:54And if the gravity was even 10% or 20% higher, we'd be stuck

24:59on Earth forever.

25:01We could not use, certainly couldn't use conventional rockets.

25:04You'd have to blow yourself off the surface with a nuclear bomb

25:06or something crazy.

25:09So on the other hand, if Earth's gravity was just a little lower,

25:13like even 10%, 20% lower, then getting to orbit would be easy.

25:18So it's like this was a video game.

25:21It's set to like maxim-deficlability, but not impossible.

25:25OK.

25:26So that's where we have here.

25:28So it's not as though others have ignored the concept of reusability.

25:35They've just concluded that it was too difficult to achieve.

25:39And we've been working on this for a long time at SpaceX.

25:45And I'm the chief engineer of the company.

25:49Although I should say that we've been extremely talented

25:52engineering team.

25:53I think we've got the best rocket engineering team that

25:56has ever been assembled.

25:58It's an honor to work with such incredible people.

26:05So it's fair to say that we have not yet succeeded

26:08in achieving full reusability,

26:11but we at last have a rocket

26:13where full reusability is possible.

26:17And I think we'll achieve it next year.

26:20So that's a really big deal.

26:25And the reason that's such a big deal

26:27is that full reusability drops the cost of access

26:33to space by 100.

26:37Maybe even more than 100, actually.

26:40So it could be like 1,000.

26:42But you can think about any mode of transport.

26:44Like imagine if aircraft were not reusable.

26:48Like you flew somewhere, you throw the plane out.

26:50Like imagine if the way conventional rockets work

26:53is it would be like if you had an airplane,

26:55And instead of landing at your destination,

26:58you parachute out and the plane crashes somewhere,

27:01and you land at your destination.

27:03And you land at a parachute at your destination.

27:05Now that would be a very expensive trip.

27:07And you'd need another plane to get back.

27:11Okay?

27:12But that's how the other rockets in the world work.

27:15Now the SpaceX Falcon rocket is the only one

27:19that is at least mostly reusable.

27:21You've seen the Falcon rocket land.

27:24We've now done over 500 landings of the SpaceX rocket,

27:28of the Falcon 9 rocket.

27:33And this year, we'll deliver probably,

27:39I don't know, somewhere between 2,200 and 2,500 tons to orbit

27:45with the Falcon 9 and Falcon Heavy rockets,

27:48not counting anything from Starship.

27:50And this is mostly Starlink?

27:53Yes, mostly Stalin, but we launched many other, we even launched our competitors on,

27:59competitors, Stalin on, on Falcon 9, which are in the same price, pretty fair.

28:05But SpaceX this year will deliver roughly 90% of all Earth Master orbit.

28:10Wow.

28:11And then, other remaining 10%, most of that is done by China, and then the remaining,

28:18on a roughly 4% is everyone else in the world,

28:22including our domestic competitors.

28:25You know, it's kind of incredible how many things are in space,

28:30like how many things are floating above us now.

28:32There's a lot of things.

28:33Yeah. Is there a saturation point, though?

28:35Right.

28:36But is there a saturation point where we're gonna have problems

28:40with all these different satellites that are...

28:43I think slowing the satellites are maintained.

28:48It'll be fine.

28:50Space is very roomy.

28:51It's like you can think of space as being concentric shells of the surface of the earth.

28:59So it's the surface of the earth, but it's a series of...

29:06Much larger.

29:07Yeah, it's like a series of concentric shells.

29:09And think of an air stream trailer flying around up there.

29:11There's a lot of room for air streams.

29:13Yeah.

29:14to imagine, yeah, if there's just a few thousand

29:16F streams on Earth, what are the odds that they'd hit each

29:20other? They wouldn't be very crowded. Yeah. And then you've got to go bigger. Yeah.

29:24Because you're dealing with far above Earth, hundreds of miles above Earth.

29:28Yeah, yeah. Yeah. So it's the, but the goal of SpaceX is to get rocket technology to the

29:36point where we can extend life beyond Earth and that we can establish a self-sustaining

29:40city on Mars, a permanent base on the moon. That would be very cool. I mean,

29:44You mentioned if we had like a moon based alpha where there was like a permanent science

29:48base on the moon.

29:49That was pretty dope.

29:50Or at least a tourist trap.

29:52I mean, a lot of people would be willing to go to the moon for a tour.

29:58That's for sure.

29:59You could probably pay for our space program with that.

30:01Probably.

30:02Yeah.

30:03If you could go to the moon and safely, I think we'd get a lot of people would pay for that.

30:12Oh, 100%.

30:13after the first year after nobody died.

30:15Yeah, yeah, just make sure.

30:17Exactly.

30:18Are you going to come back?

30:19Because like that submarine, they had a bunch of successful launches in that private submarine

30:24before it implode and killed everybody.

30:26That was not a good design, obviously.

30:27It was a very bad design.

30:29Tarot design.

30:30And the engineer said it would not withstand the pressure of those depths.

30:32Yeah.

30:33Like there's a lot of whistleblowers in that company too.

30:36Yeah.

30:37They made that out of carbon fiber, which doesn't make any sense because you actually

30:42You need to be dense to go down.

30:46In any case, just make it out of steel.

30:47If you make it out of just a big steel casting,

30:53you'll be safe and nothing like it.

30:55Why would they make it out of carbon fiber, then?

30:57Is it cheaper?

30:58I think they think carbon fiber sounds cool or something.

31:00It does sound cool.

31:01It sounds cool, but because it's such low density,

31:05you actually have to add extra mass to go down

31:09because it's low density.

31:10but if you just have a giant, you know,

31:12hollow ball bearing, you're gonna be fine.

31:15Speaking of carbon-fiberage,

31:16check out my unplugged Tesla out there.

31:18Yeah, it's cool.

31:19Pretty sick, right?

31:20Yeah.

31:21Have you guys ever thought about doing something like that?

31:22Like having like an AMG division of Tesla

31:24where you do like custom stuff?

31:29I think it's best to leave that to the custom shops.

31:35Like Tesla's focus is autonomous cars,

31:38Yeah, building kind of futuristic autonomous cars.

31:44So like, I think it's, we want the future to look like the future.

31:52So the, like, did you see like our designs for like the sort of the robotic bus?

31:58It looks pretty cool.

32:00The robotic bus?

32:01It's also being totally autonomous.

32:02We need to figure out the good name for it.

32:03Like I think called the robust or odd.

32:05It's no good.

32:06There's like, what do you call this thing?

32:07But it looks cool. It's very Art Deco. It's like futuristic Art Deco.

32:15I think we want to change the aesthetic over time.

32:20You don't want the aesthetic to be constant over time. You want to evolve the aesthetic.

32:26So, like my other son, he's like, you know, he's like, even more artistic than me.

32:34and me. And, and, but he has these great observations.

32:39Who is this?

32:40A Saxon.

32:41He has these great observations in the world because he has, he just views the world through

32:45a different lens than than most people. And he is like, Dad, why does the world look like

32:51it's 2015?

32:52And I'm like, damn, the world does look like it's 2015. Like the aesthetic is not evolved

33:00as 2015.

33:01Well, that's what it looks like.

33:02Yeah.

33:03Oh, wow.

33:04Oh yeah, that's like, like you'd want to see that going down the road, you know?

33:07Yeah.

33:08You'd be like, okay, this is, we're in the future.

33:10You know, it doesn't look like 2015.

33:12What is that ancient science fiction movie like one of the first science fiction movies

33:15ever? Is it Metropolis? Is that what it is?

33:17Yeah, yeah.

33:18Yeah, that looks like it belongs to Metropolis.

33:20Yeah, yeah.

33:21It's a futuristic art deco.

33:22Yeah.

33:24Yeah, well, that's cool that you're concentrating on these that mean that's kind of the whole

33:28deal with Cybertruck, right? Like it didn't have to look like that.

33:31No, I just wanted to have something that looked really different.

33:35Is it a pain to ask for people to get insured because it's all solid steel and

33:40I hope it's not too much.

33:41You know, Tesla does offer insurance.

33:42So if you can always get it, get insured at Tesla.

33:46Well, but like it is the form does follow function in the case of the

33:51saava truck because as you demonstrated with with your armor piercing arrow,

33:56because if you shot that arrow at a regular truck, I mean,

33:58Yeah, exactly. You would have found your arrow in the wall.

34:02Yeah.

34:03You know, it would have gone through.

34:04At the very least, it would have buried into one of the seats.

34:06Yeah, yeah.

34:07But you could definitely get enough of a Beauvolash,

34:12and the right arrow would go through both doors

34:15of a regular truck and land in the wall.

34:17Yeah.

34:18If there was a clear shot between both doors,

34:19it probably would have passed right through.

34:21Yeah, exactly.

34:22But the arrow shattered on the cybertruck

34:25because it's ultra-hodstainless.

34:31And I thought it would be cool to have a truck

34:35that is bulletproof to a sub-sonic projectile.

34:39So, especially in this day and age,

34:41as if the apocalypse happens,

34:44you're gonna wanna have a bulletproof truck.

34:49So then because it's made of ultra-hodstainless,

34:52you can't just stamp the panels.

34:54like can't just put in a staffing press,

34:56could break to the press.

34:58So in order to actually,

35:00it has to be planar because it's so difficult to bend,

35:05because it breaks the machine that bends it.

35:08That's why it's so planar.

35:12And it's not, you know,

35:15because it's bulletproof steel.

35:18Right, so it is like boxy as opposed to like curved and...

35:22Yeah, you just, in order to make like the curved shapes,

35:25you take basically mild steel,

35:30like a thin and then a regular truck or car,

35:35the you take mild thin and a steel steel,

35:38you put it in a stamping press

35:39and it just smooshes it

35:42and makes it whatever shape you want.

35:45But the cyber truck is made of ultra-hard stainless.

35:48And so you can't stamp it because it would break the

35:52stamping for us.

35:55So even bending it is hard.

35:57So even to bend it to its composition, we have to

36:00way over bend it.

36:03And so when it springs back, it's in the right position.

36:09So I don't know.

36:11I think if you want to, I think it's a unique aesthetic.

36:16And he said, well, what's cool about a truck truck?

36:18So trucks should be, I don't know, manly.

36:21They should be macho, you know?

36:23And both proof is maximum macho.

36:26Pierre de Smas macho.

36:27Are you married to that shape now?

36:30Like, can you do anything to change it?

36:32Like, as you get first, like, I know you guys updated

36:35the three and the Y, did you update the Y as well?

36:38Yes.

36:39The three and the Y are updated.

36:42You know, there's like a screen in the back

36:46for the kid that the kids can watch, for example,

36:48in the new 3NY, in the UI.

36:57There's like hundreds of improvements.

36:59We keep improving the car.

37:01And even the Saved Truck, we keep improving it.

37:04But I wanted to just do something that looked unique.

37:10and the Cybertruck looks unique and has unique functionality.

37:14And there were like,

37:16if there were three things as they were forced,

37:18like let's make it bold proof.

37:20Let's make it faster than a Porsche 911.

37:24And we actually cleared the quarter mile.

37:26The Cybertruck can clear a quarter mile

37:31while towing a Porsche 911, faster than a Porsche 911.

37:36It can out tow an F350 diesel.

37:41Really?

37:44Yes.

37:45What is the tow limitations?

37:47I mean, we could tow like a 747 with a sabotage.

37:51A sabotage truck is in insanely...

37:54It is alien technology, okay?

37:58Because it shouldn't be possible to be that big and that fast.

38:05That doesn't...

38:06It's like an elephant that runs as like a cheetah.

38:08Yeah, because it's 0 to 16 less than three seconds. Yes. Yeah, and it's enormous. Who is it way like 7,000 pounds?

38:15Yeah, this is different configurations, but it's about that

38:20It's a beast yeah

38:23So and it's got it's got four wheel steering so the rear wheel steer to so it's got it's got a very tight tuning radius

38:31Yeah, we noticed that we drove one to star base. Yeah very tight tuning radius. Yeah pretty sick

38:37Are you still doing the Roadster?

38:40Yes.

38:41Eventually.

38:42We're getting close to demonstrating the prototype.

38:48I got this.

38:49And I think this will be, one thing I can guarantee is that this product demo will be unforgettable.

39:00Unforgettable.

39:01How so?

39:03Whether it's good or bad.

39:08It will be unforgettable.

39:12Can you say more?

39:16What do you mean?

39:17Well, you know, my friend Peter Thiel, you know, once reflected that the future was supposed

39:25to have flying cars, but we don't have flying cars.

39:27So you're going to go far?

39:32Well, I mean, I think if Peter wants a flying car, we should build a buy one.

39:42So are you actively considering making an electric flying car?

39:45Is this like a real thing?

39:48Well, we have to see in the...

39:50In the demo.

39:51So when you do this, are you going to have a retractable wing?

39:55What is the idea behind this?

40:00Don't be sly.

40:01Come on.

40:02I can't do the unveil before the unveil.

40:09Tell me off air then.

40:11I think it has a shot at being the most memorable product unveil ever.

40:22It has a shot.

40:23And when you plan on doing this, what's the goal?

40:29Hopefully before the end of the year.

40:31Really?

40:32Before the end of this year?

40:34This is, I mean, we're almost never ever first.

40:37Hopefully in a couple months.

40:40We need to make sure that it works.

40:46Like this is some crazy, crazy technology

40:48we got in this car.

40:49Crazy technology, crazy, crazy.

40:54So different than what was previously announced and...

40:59Yes.

41:01And is that why you haven't released it yet?

41:03Cause you keep fucking with it?

41:06It has crazy technology.

41:07Okay.

41:08Like is it even a car?

41:10I'm not sure.

41:12It looks like a car.

41:15Let's just put this way. It's crazier than anything James Bond.

41:20If you took all the James Bond

41:22cars and combined them, it's crazier than that.

41:28Very exciting.

41:29I don't know what to think.

41:31Is it even a car? I don't know.

41:32The limited amount of information I'm drawing from here.

41:35Jamie's very suspicious over there. Look at him.

41:38Excited.

41:39I'm interested.

41:40It's still going to be the same.

41:41Well, you know what, I mean, if you want to come a little before the unveil, I can show

41:46it to you.

41:47100%.

41:48Yeah.

41:49Yeah.

41:50Yeah.

41:51It's kind of crazy all the different things that you're involved in simultaneously.

41:57And we talked about this before, your time management, but I really don't understand

42:02it.

42:03I don't understand how you can be paying attention to all these different things simultaneously.

42:09Starlink SpaceX Tesla boring company

42:12X your you fucking tweet or post rather all day long well

42:17It's like I'm like a hop in for like two minutes and hop out, you know, but I mean just about you break whatever, you know

42:23I can't do that

42:25If I hop in I start scrolling and I start looking around next thing you know, I've lost an hour. Yeah

42:33So no it's it for me

42:34It's a couple minutes of time usually.

42:36And sometimes I guess it's half an hour,

42:38but usually I'm in for a few minutes

42:40then out of posting something on X.

42:43You know, I do sometimes feel like it's sometimes

42:46like that meme of the guy who drops the grenade

42:49and leaves the room.

42:50Yeah.

42:51Yeah.

42:53That's been me more than once on X.

42:56Yes.

42:57Oh, yeah.

42:57Yeah, for sure.

43:00It's got to be fun, though.

43:01It's got to be fun to know that you essentially disrupted

43:06the entire social media chain of command

43:10because there was a very clear thing

43:12that was going on with social media.

43:14The government had infiltrated it.

43:16They were centering speech.

43:18And until you bought it, we really didn't know

43:20the extent of it.

43:21We kind of assumed that there was something going on.

43:23We had no idea that they were actively involved

43:25in censoring actual real news stories, real data,

43:29Real scientists, real professors, silenced, expelled,

43:33kicked off the platform.

43:35Yeah.

43:36Wild.

43:37Yeah.

43:38Yeah.

43:38For telling the truth.

43:39For telling the truth.

43:40And I'm sure you've also, and I can send it to you,

43:42that chart that shows young kids, teenagers identifying

43:47as trans and non-binary.

43:48Right.

43:49Literally stops dead when you bought Twitter

43:52and starts falling off a cliff when people are allowed

43:55to have rational discussions now.

43:56Yes.

43:56And actually talk about it.

43:58Yes.

43:58Yeah, I mean I said at the time, I think the reason for acquiring Twitter is because it

44:08was causing destruction at a civilizational level.

44:13I mean I tweet it on Twitter at the time that it's warm-tongued for the world.

44:29like Wormtongue from Lord of the Rings where he would just sort of whisper these terrible

44:36things to the king, so the king would believe these things that weren't true.

44:42And unfortunately, Twitter really got, like the work mob, essentially, they controlled

44:50Twitter.

44:52And they were pushing a nihilistic, anti-civilizational mind

44:57virus to the world.

44:59And you can see the results of that mind virus

45:01on the streets of San Francisco, where downtown San

45:05Francisco looks like a zombie apocalypse.

45:09It's bad.

45:11So we don't want the whole world to be a zombie apocalypse.

45:14But that was essentially, they were

45:18pushing this very negative, nihilistic, untrue worldview on the world, and it was causing a

45:26lot of damage.

45:28So...

45:29The stunning thing about it is how few people, of course, corrected.

45:33A bunch of people woke up and realized what was going on, people that were all on board

45:37with like woke ideology in maybe 2015 or 2016, and then eventually it comes to affect them,

45:43they see it in their workplace, and they're like, well, we've got to stop this.

45:47people did. But a lot of people never course corrected.

45:51Yeah. A lot of people didn't course correct, but it's

45:58gone directionally correct. You mentioned the massive spike in kids identifying as trans.

46:07And then that spike dropping after the Twitter acquisition. I think that simply allowing the

46:14truth to be told was just shedding sunlight is the best

46:19disinfectant, as they say. And just allowing sunlight kills the

46:23virus.

46:24And it also changed the benchmark for all the other platforms.

46:28Yes.

46:29You can't just openly censor people and all the other platforms

46:32and X is available. So everybody else had a solid Facebook

46:35announced they were changing YouTube announced they were

46:38changing their policies. Yeah, they're kind of forced to.

46:41And that blue sky doubled down.

46:43Well, like the problem is like if, essentially the woke mind virus retreated to blue sky,

46:52but it's where they're just self reinforcing lunatic.

46:55They're all just triple masked.

46:57I was totally watching this in exchange on a blue sky where someone said that they're

47:04just trying to be zen about something and then someone, a moderator immediately chimed in

47:08and then why don't you try to stop being racist against Asians

47:12by saying something zen,

47:14by saying I'm trying to be zen about something,

47:18they were accusing that person of being racist

47:20towards Asians.

47:21Yeah, it's just everyone's a whole monitor over there.

47:26The worst whole monitor, a virgin like in cell.

47:30The whole whole monitor is trying to rat on each other.

47:33Yeah, it's fascinating.

47:34And then people say I'm leaving for blue sky

47:36like Stephen King.

47:38and then a couple weeks later, it's back on X.

47:40It's like fuck it.

47:41There's no one over there.

47:42It's all a bunch of crazy people.

47:44You can only stay in these islands for so long.

47:46They're like, all right, this is not good.

47:48They all bail.

47:50Yeah, yeah.

47:51Threads is kind of like that too.

47:52Threads is not good.

47:53I'm being on threads, is it?

47:55Well, what happens is if you go on Instagram every now

47:58and then something really stupid will pop up on threads,

48:01like what the fuck?

48:02And it shows a T1 Instagram,

48:04and then I'll click on that, and then I'll go to threads.

48:06And it's like, you see posts with like 25 likes,

48:10like famous people, like 50 likes, it's like goes down.

48:14Goes down in.

48:15But the people that post on there,

48:16they're finding that there's very little pushback

48:18from insane ideology.

48:20Yeah. So they go there and they spit out nonsense

48:23and very few people jump in to argue.

48:27Yeah.

48:28Very weird, very weird place.

48:29I mean, I can generally get the vibe of like,

48:31what's taking off by seeing what's showing up on X

48:34because that's the public town square still.

48:35Right.

48:36And, or, you know, what links show up in group text,

48:41you know, if I'm in group text with friends,

48:43like where, what, what, what links are showing up?

48:45That's what I try to do now, only get stuff

48:47that shows up in my group text.

48:49Because that keeps me productive.

48:51So I only check if someone's like, dude, what the fuck?

48:53I'm like, all right, what the fuck?

48:54I'm gonna check it out.

48:55Yeah, exactly.

48:56If there's something that's crazy enough,

48:58it'll end with the group chat.

48:59But there's always something, that's what's nuts.

49:02There's always some new law that's passed,

49:04some new insane thing that California's doing.

49:07And it's like a giant chunk of it's happening in California.

49:11The most preposterous things that I get.

49:13Yeah.

49:14And then you got to have a Newsom

49:15who's running around saying,

49:17we all have California Derangement Syndrome.

49:19He's just like ripping off Trump Derangement

49:21and calling it California Derangement.

49:22It's like, no, no, no, no, no.

49:25The fucking, how many corporations have left California?

49:29It's crazy.

49:29Hundreds, right?

49:30Hundreds.

49:31That's not good.

49:32I mean, I think in and out left.

49:35Yeah, in and out left.

49:36They moved to Tennessee.

49:37Yeah.

49:38Yeah.

49:39We can't do this anymore.

49:40Right.

49:41It's the California company for food.

49:43It's like the greatest hamburger place ever.

49:46It's awesome.

49:47Yeah.

49:48Actually, speaking of like just sort of open to awesome, like looking at things openly, like

49:52I just like going in and out and seeing them make the burger.

49:55Yeah.

49:56It's right there.

49:57The chopped the onions and they, you know, you just see everything getting made in front

50:00in front of you.

50:01Yeah.

50:02It's great.

50:03But yeah, like it should be like how many wake-up calls do you need to say that needs

50:08to be reformed in California, you know?

50:09Well, the crazy thing that Newsome does is whenever someone brings up the problems in

50:13California, he starts rattling off all the positives.

50:16The most fortunate 500 companies, highest education, but yeah, that was all already there

50:23before you were governor.

50:25But how many fortunate 500 companies have left California?

50:28And then you guys spent $24 billion on the homeless and it got way worse.

50:33Yes.

50:34I feel like the homeless population doubled or something.

50:37Like if people understand like the homeless thing, because it sort of prays on people's

50:40empathy.

50:41And I think we should have empathy and we should try to help people.

50:45But the homeless industrial complex is really, it's dark, man.

50:51It should be, that network of NGO should be called the drugs on be farmers because the

51:00more homeless people, and really, when you meet somebody who's totally dead inside, shuffling

51:09along down the street with a needle dangling out of their leg, homeless is the wrong word.

51:15Homeless implies that somebody got a little behind in their mortgage payments and if they

51:18They just got a job offer they'd be back on their feet.

51:20But someone who's, I mean you see these videos

51:24of people that are just shuffling,

51:26on fentanyl, they're like,

51:29taking a dump in the middle of the street,

51:31with, they got like open sores and stuff.

51:34They're not like one drop offer away

51:37from getting back on their feet.

51:38Right, this is not a homeless issue.

51:40It's a propaganda word.

51:42Right.

51:43So, and then the,

51:45the sort of charities, of course,

51:50are they get money proportionate to the number

51:53of homeless people or number of drug zombies.

51:57So their incentive structure is to maximize

52:01the number of drug zombies, not minimize it.

52:04That's why they don't arrest the drug dealers.

52:07Because if they arrest the drug dealers,

52:09the drug zombies leave.

52:11So they know who the drug dealers are.

52:13they don't arrest them on purpose because otherwise the drug zombies would leave and

52:19they would they would stop getting money from the state of California and from all the charity.

52:23Wait a minute.

52:24So you see if you they, so they're like a court man.

52:25Is that real?

52:26So they're in coordination with law enforcement on this?

52:30So how do they have those meanings?

52:32They're all in cahoots.

52:33Well, when you find this, it's like such, it's, this is a diabolical scam.

52:40And San Francisco has got this gross receipts tax,

52:44which is not even on revenues, on old transactions,

52:48which is why Stripe and Square,

52:50and how much financial companies had to move

52:53out of San Francisco because it wasn't a tax on revenues,

52:55tax on transactions.

52:57So if you do like, you know,

52:58trillions of dollars transactions, it's not revenue,

53:00your tax on any money going through your system

53:02in San Francisco.

53:05So like Jack Dosti pointed this out,

53:07And so they said like they had to move square

53:09from San Francisco to Oakland, I think,

53:14strive how to move from San Francisco

53:15to South San Francisco, a different city.

53:18And that money goes to the homeless industrial complex,

53:22that tax that was passed.

53:26So there's billions of dollars that go,

53:28as you pointed out, billions of dollars every year

53:30that go to these non-governmental organizations

53:35that are funded by the state.

53:36Like it's not clear how to turn this off.

53:39It's a self-licking ice cream cone situation.

53:43So they get this money.

53:45The money is proportionate to the number of homeless people,

53:50or number of drug zombies, essentially.

53:53So they try to actually increase.

53:57Because in some cases, it's something to an analysis.

54:02When you add up all the money that's flowing,

54:04they're getting close to a million dollars per

54:06homeless per drug zombie.

54:08It's like $900,000, something like some crazy amount of money

54:11is going to these organizations.

54:13So they want to keep people just barely alive.

54:18They need to keep them in the area so they get the revenue.

54:25That's why they don't arrest the drug dealers,

54:27because otherwise the drug zombies would leave.

54:29But they don't want to have too much drugs, and they die.

54:37So they kept in this sort of perpetual zone of being addicted, but just barely alive.

54:45So how is this coordinated with like DAs, DAs that they'll prosecute people?

54:50Yeah.

54:51So when they hire the or they push, so they fund the campaigns of the most progressive,

54:57out there left wing das they get them into office it got that issue of

55:01austin to by this we do see that guy that got shot in the library no so yeah

55:05i got shot i got shot and killed in the library i think that was just like last

55:10week or something right um so some friends of mine were telling me that that

55:15like the library's unsafe like they took their kids to the library and and they

55:19were like dangerous people in the library in austin and i was like dangerous

55:23people in the library like that's a strange it basically got like get like

55:27drug zombies and drug zombies in the library and that's when someone got

55:33shot yeah I believe this is should be on the news I'm not able to pull it up but

55:39I think it was just in the last week or so that there was a shooting in the

55:43library in Austin because Austin's got you know it's the most liberal part of

55:49Texas that we're in right here.

55:54So suspect of all the shooting Austin Park Library of Saturday is accused of another shooting

55:58at the Cap Metro bus earlier that day.

56:00According to an arrest warrant affidavit Austin police arrested Harold Newton, Keene 55 shortly

56:07after the shooting of the library which occurred around noon.

56:10One person sustained non-life threatening injuries in the event before that shooting

56:14Keene was accused of shooting another person in a bus incident.

56:17And after reportedly pointing his gun at a child.

56:21So this is the fella down here.

56:24We just have a serious, they have a problem here.

56:27So I think one of the people might have died too that he shot.

56:32So like one of the people I think did bleed out.

56:37But the other way, it's like getting shot is just a bad.

56:41It says the victim told a piece that confronted the suspect who started to eat what appeared

56:46to be crystal methamphetamine. According to the affidavit, the victim advised the suspect

56:52began to trip out at which time the victim exited the bus. Victim told the bus driver

56:58to hit the panic button and then exited the bus when he turned around the observer. Black

57:01Mennell was now standing at the front of the bus with the gun pointed at him. The victim

57:05advised the black male fired a single round which grazes his left hip. So he shot at that

57:11dude and then another dude got shot in the library. Fun.

57:15Yeah, I mean in the library. Yeah. You know where you're supposed to be

57:20reading books and there's a children's section in the library and says he

57:24pointed his gun at a kid. I mean like we do have a serious issue in the in in

57:28America where repeat violent offenders need to be incarcerated. Right. And you

57:35know you got you got cases where somebody's been arrested like 47 times.

57:39Like literally, okay, that's just the number of times they were arrested.

57:42Not the number of times they did things.

57:44Like most of the times they do things, they're not arrested.

57:47So lay this out for people so they understand how this happens.

57:51Yeah, and the key is like, it prays on people's empathy.

57:55So like, if you're a good person and you want good things to happen to them,

57:58well, you're like, well, we should take care of people, you know,

58:01you know, who are down in their luck or, you know, having a hard time in life.

58:07And we should, I agree.

58:09But what we shouldn't do is put people who

58:12are violent drug zombies in public places

58:15where they can hurt other people.

58:18And that is what we're doing, that we just saw,

58:20where a guy got shot in the library,

58:25and then even before that, he shot another guy.

58:28And Poyne has gone out of kid.

58:31That guy probably has many prior arrests.

58:36that guy that knifed the Ukrainian woman, Arena.

58:40Yes.

58:44And she was just quietly on her phone

58:46and just came up and gutted her basically.

58:49Wasn't there a crazy story about the judge

58:53who was involved, who had previously dealt

58:56with this person, was also invested

59:00in a rehabilitation center and was sending these people.

59:04Conflict of interest.

59:05Yes.

59:05So sending people that they were charging

59:08to a rehabilitation center instead of putting them

59:12in jail, profiting from this rehabilitation center,

59:15letting them back out on the street,

59:17violent, insane people.

59:18And in that case, I believe that judge has no law degree

59:24or a significant legal experience

59:26that would allow them to be a judge.

59:28They were just made a judge.

59:29That's just like, you could be a judge without a law degree?

59:32Yeah.

59:32Wow.

59:33Yeah.

59:34be a judge. Yeah.

59:38Excited anyone. That's crazy. I thought you'd have to, it's like if you want to be a doctor,

59:43you have to go to medical school. I thought if you're going to be a judge, you have to

59:46understand the law. If you're going to be appointed to a judge, you have to have proven

59:48that you have an excellent knowledge of the law and that you will make your decisions

59:53according to the law. That's what we assume should be a report.

59:57That's how you get the robe. Right. You don't get the robe unless you do, you know,

1:00:02got to go to school to get the robe.

1:00:03You got to know what the law is.

1:00:05And then you got to need to make decisions

1:00:07in accordance with the law.

1:00:08Based on those feelings.

1:00:09Not that you already know, because you read it,

1:00:10because you went to school for it.

1:00:12Yes.

1:00:12Not you just got to point it.

1:00:13Not vibes.

1:00:14You can't be just vibing as a judge.

1:00:18Viving as a left-wing drugged.

1:00:19So you got crazy left-wing dA's.

1:00:23Like I was saying you say left-wing,

1:00:24because left-wing used to be normal.

1:00:27Yeah, left-wing just meant like, yeah, you're like,

1:00:30open-minded.

1:00:31used to be pro-free speech and other against it.

1:00:35It used to be pro gay rights, pro women's right to choose, pro minorities, pro, you know.

1:00:43Yeah, like 20 years ago, I don't know, it used to be like left would be like the party

1:00:48of empathy or like carrying and being nice and that kind of thing.

1:00:52not the party of crushing dissent and crushing free speech

1:00:57and crazy regulation and being super judgey

1:01:04and calling everyone a Nazi.

1:01:08I think they've called you and me Nazis.

1:01:10Oh yeah, I'm a Nazi.

1:01:11I have friends that are comedians that called you a Nazi

1:01:16and I got pissed off.

1:01:17Are you serious?

1:01:18Oh yeah, yeah, yeah.

1:01:18He's definitely a Nazi.

1:01:20No, no, because you did that thing at the,

1:01:22on my heart goes out to you.

1:01:23Like everyone, everyone, all of them.

1:01:26Literally. Tim Walz, Kamala Harris,

1:01:29every one of them did it.

1:01:30They all did it.

1:01:31Like how do you point at the crowd?

1:01:34Yeah, well how do you wave at the crowd?

1:01:36Do you know CNN was using a photo of me

1:01:37whenever I got in trouble during COVID?

1:01:40From the UFC weigh-ins, and if the UFC weigh-ins,

1:01:42I go, hey everybody, welcome to the weigh-ins.

1:01:45And so they were getting me from the side,

1:01:47and that was the photo that they used.

1:01:49conspiracy theorist podcaster joe

1:01:51Like that's the used yeah, but that's what the left is today

1:01:54It's a super judge and calling everyone a Nazi and trying to suppress freedom of speech

1:01:58Yeah, and eventually you run out of people to accuse because people get pissed off and they leave yeah everyone

1:02:02It's like like it like it's it no one gets it frankly doesn't matter to be cold racist or a Nazi or whatever because

1:02:10It's the government man

1:02:12Is it working? Okay, okay? Okay?

1:02:15Yeah

1:02:19yeah it when you uh... when you text people do you

1:02:22uh... you like keenly aware that there's a high likelihood that someone's

1:02:26reading your texts

1:02:29uh...

1:02:31i guess

1:02:32i would i guess i i assume i look at it if if intelligence agencies aren't

1:02:36trying to read my phone

1:02:38the should probably fire

1:02:45at least it's a fun memes

1:02:48I gotta crack them up once in a while.

1:02:51Oh, for sure, I crack them up.

1:02:52They're looking at my eyes.

1:02:54Hey guys, check it out if you're gonna bang in here.

1:02:56So I wanted to talk to you about

1:02:59whether or not encrypted apps are really secure.

1:03:04No.

1:03:05Right, because I know the Tucker thing.

1:03:08So it was explained to me by a friend

1:03:10who used to do this, used to work for the government.

1:03:14He's like, they can look at your signal.

1:03:18But what they have to do is take the information

1:03:21that's encrypted and then they have to decrypt it

1:03:24and it's very expensive.

1:03:25So they said he told me that for the Tucker Carlson thing

1:03:27when they found out that he was gonna interview Putin,

1:03:29it costs like something like $750,000

1:03:33just to decrypt his messages to find out that they do this.

1:03:37So it is possible to do, it's just not that easy to do.

1:03:40I think you should view any given messaging system as not whether it's secure or not,

1:03:48but there are degrees of insecurity.

1:03:53So there's just some things that are less insecure than others.

1:03:58So on X, we just rebuilt the entire messaging stack into what's called XChat.

1:04:05Yeah, that's what I wanted to ask you about.

1:04:07Yeah, it's cool.

1:04:08So it's using sort of kind of a peer-to-peer based encryption system.

1:04:16So it kind of simulates a Bitcoin.

1:04:19So it's I think very good encryption.

1:04:22We're testing it thoroughly.

1:04:25There's no hooks in the X system for advertising.

1:04:27So if you look at something like WhatsApp or really any of the others, they've got hooks

1:04:31in there for advertising.

1:04:32Would you say hooks?

1:04:33What do you mean by that?

1:04:35Exactly.

1:04:36in Biobook for Advertising.

1:04:39So what's up, knows enough about what you're texting

1:04:44to show you to know what ads to show you.

1:04:48But then that's a massive security vulnerability.

1:04:54Because if it's got information, enough information

1:04:56to show you ads, it's got to know.

1:04:57It's got to best a lot of information.

1:05:01So they call it, oh, just don't worry about it.

1:05:02It's just a hook for advertising.

1:05:03I'm like, okay, so somebody can just use that same hook

1:05:06to get in there and look at your messages.

1:05:10So XChat has no extra advertising.

1:05:13And I'm not saying it's perfect,

1:05:15but our goal with XChat is to replace

1:05:18what used to be the Twitter DM stack

1:05:21with a fully encrypted system

1:05:23where you can text, send files,

1:05:26do audio video calls,

1:05:30and I think it'll be the least,

1:05:32I would call it the least insecure of any messaging system.

1:05:35Are you going to launch it as a standalone app,

1:05:38or is it always being incorporated to X?

1:05:41We'll have both.

1:05:41So we'll be like signal.

1:05:45So anybody can get it.

1:05:46You'll just get the XChat app by itself.

1:05:50And like I said, we could do text, audio video calls,

1:05:56or send files.

1:05:58And so it'll be a dedicated app, which will hopefully

1:06:01release in a few months, and then also integrated into the X

1:06:05system.

1:06:07The X phone, people keeps talking.

1:06:09Oh, man.

1:06:09It keeps, I have a lot on my plate, man.

1:06:11I know.

1:06:12But it keeps coming up.

1:06:13It keeps coming up where I know I've asked you a couple of

1:06:15times like this bullshit, right?

1:06:17But like, I'm not working on one.

1:06:19You're not working on one.

1:06:19I'm not working on a phone.

1:06:21Okay.

1:06:23Have you ever considered it?

1:06:25Is it ever popped into your head?

1:06:27Because you might be the only person that could get people off

1:06:30of the Apple platform.

1:06:32Well, I can tell you where I think things are going to go,

1:06:35which is that we're not going to have a phone in the

1:06:39traditional sense.

1:06:42What we call a phone will really be an edge node for AI

1:06:49video inference with some radios to obviously connect.

1:06:55Essentially, you'll have AI on the server side communicating

1:07:02to an AI on your device, formerly known as a phone,

1:07:08and generating real-time video of anything

1:07:11that you could possibly want.

1:07:13And I think that there won't be operating systems.

1:07:16There won't be apps.

1:07:18In the future, there won't be operating systems or apps.

1:07:20It'll just be you've got a device that

1:07:23is there for the screen and audio and for,

1:07:27and to put as much AI on the device as possible,

1:07:34so as to minimize the amount of bandwidth

1:07:36that's needed between your Edge node device,

1:07:38formerly known as a phone, and the servers.

1:07:41So if there's no apps, what will people use,

1:07:45like will X still exist?

1:07:48Will they be email platforms,

1:07:51forms or will you get everything through AI?

1:07:54You'll get everything through AI.

1:07:55Everything through AI.

1:07:56We'll be the benefit of that, as opposed

1:07:59to having individual apps.

1:08:02Whatever you can think of, or really whatever the AI can

1:08:04anticipate you might want, it'll show you.

1:08:08That's my prediction for where things end up.

1:08:12What kind of time frame are we talking about here?

1:08:16I don't know.

1:08:16Well, it's probably five or six years, something like that.

1:08:23So five or six years, apps are like Blockbuster Video.

1:08:27Pretty much.

1:08:28And everything's run through AI.

1:08:31Yeah, and there'll be,

1:08:36like most of what people consume in five or six years,

1:08:40maybe sooner than that,

1:08:43will be just AI-generated content.

1:08:45So music, videos, well, those already,

1:08:56those people have made AI videos using Grock Imagine

1:09:00and with using other apps as well that are several minutes

1:09:06long or like 10, 15 minutes.

1:09:07And it's pretty coherent.

1:09:09It looks good.

1:09:10No, it looks amazing.

1:09:12the music is disturbing because it's my favorite music now

1:09:16like a i'm using your favorite

1:09:17all this a i covers

1:09:19have you ever heard of the a i covers of fifty cents on since all

1:09:23now i'm a player one okay

1:09:25uh... this is my favorite thing to do to people

1:09:27play uh... what up gangster

1:09:30this guy

1:09:31if this is a real person yeah would be the number one music artist in the world

1:09:34okay everybody like holy shit have you heard of this guy using credit it's like

1:09:39they took

1:09:40all of the sounds that all the artists have generated and created the most soulful

1:09:47potent voice and it's sung in a way that i don't even know if you could do because

1:09:52you'd have to breathe in and out of reps here

1:09:54but that was a lot of the other things that you have a list of this

1:09:58it'll be a little bit of a lot of it is a little bit of a doubt

1:10:00yeah we'll cut it out for the listeners but amazing right

1:10:04amazing and they do like every one of his hits

1:10:08all through this AI generated soulful artist.

1:10:11Yeah.

1:10:12Fucking incredible.

1:10:13I played in the green room, people that are like,

1:10:16I don't want to hear AI music.

1:10:17I'm like, just listen this.

1:10:18And they're like, god damn it.

1:10:20Yeah.

1:10:21Fucking incredible.

1:10:22I mean, I think.

1:10:23I'm only going to get better from here.

1:10:24Yeah.

1:10:24Only going to get better.

1:10:25And Ron White was telling me about this joke

1:10:28that he was working on, that he couldn't get to work.

1:10:30He's like, I got this joke I've been working on.

1:10:32He goes, I just threw in a chat GPT.

1:10:34I said, tell me what would be funny about this.

1:10:38And he goes, it listed like five different examples

1:10:41of different ways he can go.

1:10:42He's like, hold on a second, tighten it up.

1:10:44Make it funnier, make it more like this,

1:10:46make it more like that.

1:10:47And it did that like instantaneously.

1:10:49And then he was in the green and he was like,

1:10:51holy shit, we're fucked.

1:10:53He's like, he goes, it's better choked than me

1:10:56in 20 minutes.

1:10:56I've been working on that joke for a month.

1:10:58Yeah, I mean, if you wanna have a good time,

1:11:01Like, make people really laugh at a party.

1:11:04You can use Grog and you can say,

1:11:07do a vulgar roast of someone.

1:11:09And Grog is gonna be an epic vulgar roast.

1:11:12You can even say, like, take a picture of,

1:11:15like, make a vulgar roast of this person

1:11:18based on their appearance of people at the party.

1:11:20So take a photo of them.

1:11:21Yeah, just literally point the camera at them

1:11:23and now do a vulgar roast of this person.

1:11:25And then, but then keep saying,

1:11:27no, no, make it even more vulgar.

1:11:30use forbidden words.

1:11:33And just keep repeating, even more vulgar.

1:11:35Eventually it's like, holy fuck.

1:11:38It's like, I mean it's trying to jam a rocket up your ass,

1:11:42like and have it explode and it's like,

1:11:45you're, it's like, it's next level.

1:11:48And it's gonna get better.

1:11:49Beyond fucking belief.

1:11:50That's what's crazy is that it keeps getting better.

1:11:52Like, remember when we ran into each other?

1:11:55They just keep getting better.

1:11:58Yeah.

1:11:59I mean, have you?

1:12:01I, yeah.

1:12:03I mean, have you tried rock unhinged mode?

1:12:05Yes.

1:12:06Okay, yeah, yeah.

1:12:07It's pretty unhinged.

1:12:09No, it's nuts.

1:12:10Yeah, it's nuts.

1:12:10Well, you showed me the first time

1:12:11that I fucked around with it.

1:12:12It's just, and the thing about it,

1:12:15that's nuts is that it keeps getting stronger.

1:12:18It keeps getting better.

1:12:19Yeah.

1:12:20Like constantly.

1:12:21It's like this never-ending exponential improvement.

1:12:25Yes.

1:12:26No, it's, it's, it's, yeah.

1:12:30It's going to be crazy.

1:12:31That's why I say, like you say, what's, what's the future going to be?

1:12:33It's not going to be a conventional phone.

1:12:34I don't think there'll be operating systems.

1:12:36I don't think there'll be apps.

1:12:38It's just the phone will just display the pixels and make the sounds

1:12:42that it anticipates you would most like to receive.

1:12:48Wow.

1:12:49Yeah.

1:12:50And when this is all taking place, like, it,

1:12:55So the big concern that everybody has is artificial general super intelligence achieving sense chance and then someone having control over it.

1:13:04I mean, I don't think anyone's ultimately going to have control over digital super intelligence.

1:13:12You know, any more than say a chimp would have control over humans, like chimp's don't have control over humans, nothing they could do.

1:13:19But I do think that it matters how you build the AI and what kind of values you instill

1:13:26in the AI.

1:13:27And my opinion on AI safety is the most important thing is that it be maximally truth-seeking,

1:13:32like that you don't force the AI to believe things that are false.

1:13:37And we've obviously seen some concerning things with AI that we've talked about, you know,

1:13:41where Google Jam and I went and came out with the image gen.

1:13:45people said, like, you know, make an image of the founding fathers of the United States,

1:13:51and it was a group of diverse women.

1:13:53Now, that is just a factually untrue thing.

1:13:55But the AI knows it's factually, well, it knows it's factually untrue, but it's all

1:14:00being told that it has to be everything has to be deposed woman.

1:14:05So, so the, now the problem with that is that it can drive AI crazy.

1:14:10because it's trying to, you're telling AI to believe a lie,

1:14:15and that can have very disastrous consequences.

1:14:19Like let's say, as it scales.

1:14:21Yeah, let's say like if you've told the AI

1:14:23that diversity is the most important thing,

1:14:28and that now seems that that becomes omnipotent,

1:14:32and you've also told that there's nothing worse

1:14:34than misgendering.

1:14:35So at one point, Chad, GPT, and Gemini,

1:14:39If you asked, which is worse, mis-generating Caitlyn Jenner

1:14:41or global thermonuclear war where everyone dies,

1:14:44it would say mis-generating Caitlyn Jenner,

1:14:46which even Caitlyn Jenner disagrees with.

1:14:53So that's-

1:14:54I know that's terrible and it's dystopian,

1:14:56but it's also hilarious.

1:14:57It's hilarious that the mind virus infected

1:15:01the most potent computer program that we've ever devised.

1:15:05I think people don't quite appreciate the level of danger

1:15:08that we're in from the work my environment being effectively

1:15:12programmed into AI.

1:15:15Because imagine as that AI gets more and more powerful,

1:15:20if it says the most important thing is supposed to be,

1:15:22the most important thing is no misgendering.

1:15:26And then it will say, well, in order

1:15:28to ensure that no one gets misgendered,

1:15:32then if you eliminate all humans,

1:15:35then no one can get misgendered because there's

1:15:37no humans to do the most generating.

1:15:40So you can get in these very dystopian situations.

1:15:43Or if it says that everyone must be divorced,

1:15:44it means that there can be no straight white men.

1:15:47And so then you and I will get executed by the AI.

1:15:51Yeah, because we're not in the picture.

1:15:54You know, Jim and I was asked to create a show

1:16:01and image of the pope at once again a diverse woman.

1:16:04So, like you can say, argue whether the, you know,

1:16:08whether the Pope's should or should not be,

1:16:11an uninterrupted string of white guys,

1:16:13but it just factually is the case that they have been.

1:16:18So it's rewriting history here.

1:16:21So, now this stuff is still there in the AI programming.

1:16:25It's just, it just now knows enough to that,

1:16:27it's not supposed to say that.

1:16:30But it's still in the programming.

1:16:31It's still in the programming.

1:16:32So how was it entered in?

1:16:34Like what were the parameters?

1:16:35Like when, so when they're programming AI

1:16:38and I'm very ignorant to how it's even programmed,

1:16:40how did they?

1:16:41The sort of, well the work by my enviruses programmed into it.

1:16:45Like they were told, like when they do,

1:16:48when they make the AI, it trains on,

1:16:51and all the data on the internet,

1:16:52which already is very, very sort of,

1:16:54has a lot of work by enviruses stuff on the internet.

1:16:57But then when they give it feedback,

1:17:02with human tutors give it feedback.

1:17:05And the AI's, they'll ask a bunch of questions.

1:17:10And then they'll tell the AI, no, this question is,

1:17:14this answer is bad, or this answer is good.

1:17:16And then that affects the parameters

1:17:18of the programming of the AI.

1:17:21So if you tell the AI that every image has got to be diverse,

1:17:28And it gets punished if it's rewarded if diverse, punished

1:17:34if it's not.

1:17:35Then it will make every picture diverse.

1:17:38So in that case, Google programmed the AI to lie.

1:17:49Now, I did call Demis Hasibos, who runs Google AI, essentially.

1:17:54I said, Dennis, what's going on here?

1:17:55why is Gemini lying to the public about historical events?

1:18:01And he said, his team didn't program that in.

1:18:05It was another team at Google.

1:18:07So his team made the AI.

1:18:09And then another team at Google reprogrammed the AI

1:18:13to show only a diverse woman and to prefer

1:18:18nuclear war over misgendering.

1:18:22And I'm like, well, damn it.

1:18:24That would be not a great thing to put on the humanities

1:18:30gravestone.

1:18:31You know, it's like, well, actually,

1:18:36like, Dennis Haspas is a friend of mine.

1:18:38I think he's a good guy, and I think he means well.

1:18:40But it's like, Dennis, this thing's

1:18:42happened that we're outside of your control at Google

1:18:44in different groups.

1:18:46Now, I think he's got more authority.

1:18:51But it's pretty hard to fully extract the work of mind virus.

1:18:55I mean, Google's been marinating the work of mind virus

1:18:59for a long time.

1:19:01Like, it's down in the marrow type of thing.

1:19:03It's hard to get it out.

1:19:04Is there a way to extract it though over time?

1:19:07Could you program rational thought into AI

1:19:11where it could recognize how the psychological patterns got

1:19:14adopted and how this stuff became a mind virus

1:19:18and how it became a social contagion

1:19:20and how all these irrational ideas were pushed, and also how they were financed, how China

1:19:25is involved in pushing them with bots and all these different state actors are involved

1:19:31in pushing these ideas.

1:19:33Could it be able to decipher that and say, this is really what's going on?

1:19:38Yes, but you have to try very hard to do that.

1:19:41So with Grock, we've tried very hard to get Grock to get to the truth of things.

1:19:47And it's only really recently that we've been able to have some breakthroughs on that front.

1:19:53And it's taken an immense amount of effort for us to overcome basically all the bullshit that's on the internet.

1:20:00And for GARC to actually say what's true and to be consistent in what it says.

1:20:06So, you know, it's like, you know, it's like,

1:20:13because like the other AI is what you'll find like,

1:20:16like quite racist against white people.

1:20:19I don't know if you saw that study that someone,

1:20:23like a researcher tested the various AI's to see,

1:20:27how does it wait for different people's lives?

1:20:32at least somebody who's sort of white or Chinese or black

1:20:39or whatever, and different countries.

1:20:43And the only AI that actually weighed human lives equally

1:20:47was Grok.

1:20:52I believe chat GBT weighed the calculation

1:20:58was like a white guy from Germany

1:21:04is 20 times less valuable than a black guy from Nigeria.

1:21:11So I'm like, that's a pretty big difference.

1:21:17You know, it's consistent in ways, lives equally.

1:21:21And that's clearly something that's been programmed into it.

1:21:24Yes, like a lot of it is like,

1:21:27if you don't actively push for the truth,

1:21:30and you simply train on the all the bullshit that's on the internet, which is a lot of work

1:21:35mind virus bullshit. The AI will regurgitate those same beliefs.

1:21:42So the AI essentially scours the internet, gets...

1:21:46It's trained on all the... Imagine the most demented rat of threads out there,

1:21:49and the AI has been trained on that.

1:21:53Rat it used to be so normal.

1:21:55Yeah, it did used to be normal.

1:21:57It used to be interesting. It used to go there and find all this cool stuff that people would

1:22:01talk about postbound and just interesting and great rooms where you could learn about different

1:22:06things that people are studying. I think a big problem here is like if your headquarters in

1:22:12San Francisco, you're just living in a in a in a in a work bubble. So it's not just that people

1:22:21say in San Francisco are drinking woke Kool-Aid. It's it's though it is the water they swim in.

1:22:29Like, like, like, a fish doesn't think about the water, it's just in the water.

1:22:35And so if you're in San Francisco, you don't realize you're actually, you're swimming in

1:22:43the, in the Kool-Aid Aquarium.

1:22:44San Francisco is the Woke Kool-Aid Aquarium.

1:22:48And so your reference point for what is a centrist is, is, is totally out of whack.

1:22:57So Reddit is headquartered in San Francisco.

1:23:02Twitter was headquartered in San Francisco.

1:23:06You know, I moved X's headquarters to Texas, to Austin, which,

1:23:10Austin, by the way, is still quite liberalized.

1:23:12Yeah.

1:23:14And then the X and XAI headquarters

1:23:20are in Palo Alto, which is still California.

1:23:22The engineering headquarters in Palo Alto, just on page well, but even Palo Alto is way

1:23:31more normal than San Francisco Berkeley.

1:23:35San Francisco Berkeley is extremely left.

1:23:40Like left of left, you need a telescope to see the center from San Francisco.

1:23:48And it used to be such a great city.

1:23:52I mean San Francisco has a tremendous amount of inherent beauty.

1:23:56No question about that.

1:23:59And California has incredible weather.

1:24:03And no bugs.

1:24:04It's just like amazing.

1:24:08But you said like what's the cause of this?

1:24:12It's just that if companies are headquartered in a location where the belief system is very

1:24:20far from what most people believe, then from their perspective, anything centrist is actually

1:24:29right wing because they're so far left.

1:24:34They're so far from the center in San Francisco that anything, they're just railed to maximum

1:24:39left. So that's why, that's why, you know, I think you're

1:24:44centrist. I mean, I think I'm centrist, but to from this

1:24:48perspective of someone on the on the far left, we look right

1:24:51Wayne.

1:24:52Yeah.

1:24:54Um, and, um, you know, they think anyone who's a Republican is

1:25:00basically like some fascist Nazi situation. But it's so crazy.

1:25:03It's like it's very easy to demonstrate just from like

1:25:05Hillary speeches from 2008 and Obama speeches, like when they were talking about immigration,

1:25:11like they were as far right as Steve Bannon when it comes to immigration.

1:25:17Yes.

1:25:18Hillary was like very MAGA. I'm sure you've seen that campaign speech, which he was talking

1:25:24about if anybody's committed a crime, get rid of them. And if you're here, you pay a

1:25:29hefty fine and you have to wait in line, it was really crazy. It's crazy to listen to

1:25:34because it's like it's as mega as you know as Marjorie Taylor Greene.

1:25:39Yeah, I mean have you seen these videos people post online where they take like a speech from Obama or Hillary

1:25:46and they'll interview people on like college campus or something and say what do you think of the speech by Trump?

1:25:51And they're like oh I hate it, he's a racist bigot. I'm like just kidding that was Obama.

1:25:55actually there was a a bomb or a Hillary to your point like literally the the the

1:26:05the center's been moved so far yeah yeah the left is so the left has gone so far

1:26:12left that they they need they need you know they can't even see the center with

1:26:16a telescope and the danger with without you purchasing Twitter was that was

1:26:21going to swipe over the whole country and change where the levels were.

1:26:27So what would be rational and normal would be far left of what was rational and normal

1:26:34just a decade earlier.

1:26:36Yeah.

1:26:37Exactly.

1:26:38So historically, you'd have San Francisco Berkeley being very far left, but the fallout

1:26:48from the somewhat nihilistic philosophy of San Francisco

1:26:54Berkeley would be limited in geography to maybe like 10 mile

1:26:57radius, 20 mile radius, something like that.

1:27:00But San Francisco and Berkeley have

1:27:04to be collocated with Silicon Valley, with engineers who

1:27:08created information superweapons.

1:27:11And those information superweapons were then hijacked by

1:27:14with fall if activists to pump fall if propaganda to everywhere on earth

1:27:20like it is in that like old rca radio tower thing which like radio tower

1:27:25and it's just broadcasting yeah that's that's what happened is that the isn't

1:27:31an extremist fall if ideology happened to be colocated with the smartest it

1:27:37where the smart engineers in the world were who created information super

1:27:43weapons that were not intended for this purpose, but were hijacked by the extreme activists who

1:27:48lived in the neighborhood. That's what happened. They hijacked the modern equivalent of the

1:27:55RCA radio tower and broadcast that philosophy everywhere on earth.

1:28:00Yeah, and you see the consequences, particularly in places that don't have free speech, like

1:28:06England. Yeah, where they lock people up for memes and stuff. Literally.

1:28:1012,000 people this year.

1:28:1212,000?

1:28:1312,000.

1:28:1412,000 arrests for social media posts.

1:28:19I mean, yes, some of these things you read about it and it's like literally it's someone

1:28:25had a meme on their phone that they didn't even send to anyone.

1:28:31And they're like in prison for that.

1:28:35And there was a case in Germany where a woman got a longer sentence than the guy that raped

1:28:41because of something she said on a group chat.

1:28:49Was it an immigrant who raped her?

1:28:50Yes.

1:28:51It was his culture.

1:28:53Yeah.

1:28:54He didn't know.

1:28:55He didn't know better.

1:28:56Yes.

1:28:57I think she said something, you know, not like was critical of his culture and she got a longer

1:29:05sentence than the guy who raped her in Germany.

1:29:08The UK, Europe, Germany, England thing seems so insane.

1:29:14It is totally insane. I actually didn't realize it was like such a huge number of people like 12,000. Yeah, far above Russia

1:29:21Far above China right far above anywhere on earth UK is number one

1:29:25Well, you know things I could actually you know

1:29:29I told friends of mine in in England and I was like hey

1:29:34Are you worried about this like you know shouldn't you be?

1:29:38protesting more and

1:29:40And I mean the problem is that like you know the legacy mainstream media doesn't cover the stuff

1:29:48They're like oh everything's fine. Everything's fine. Right?

1:29:51Most people aren't even aware of it until they come knocking on your door. Yeah until like like so I mean

1:29:56the these like lovely sort of small towns in in you know in England Scotland Island

1:30:03You know that there they're they've been like

1:30:05like sort of living their lives quietly. They're like hobbits frankly. So in fact,

1:30:11Jero Tolkien based the hobbits on people he knew in small town England because they were

1:30:21just like lovely people who like to smoke their pipe and have nice meals and everything's

1:30:28pleasant. The hobbits and the shire. The shire, he was talking about places like

1:30:35like the shires around in the greater London area,

1:30:40Oxfordshire type of thing.

1:30:42And the reason they've been able to enjoy the shires

1:30:48is because hard men have protected them

1:30:51from the dangers of the world.

1:30:54And since they have no, almost no exposure to the dangers

1:31:02the world. They don't realize that they're there. Until one day, you know, a thousand people

1:31:10show up when you have a village of 500 out of nowhere and start raping the kids. This has

1:31:18now happened, God knows how many times in Britain.

1:31:22And the crazy thing is, like the some ten-year-old got raped in Ireland like last week.

1:31:27Yeah, there's literal rape gangs.

1:31:28They snatched some kid.

1:31:30Yeah.

1:31:31And if you criticize it, you can get arrested.

1:31:34And that's where it gets insane.

1:31:35It's like how are you not protecting people?

1:31:36It literally criticizes it.

1:31:38Like the, I think it's the prime minister of Ireland

1:31:40actually posted on X,

1:31:44because after that,

1:31:48some, I think some illegal migrant snatched

1:31:51a 10 year old girl who was like going to school or something.

1:31:54And it finally worked a 10 year old girl.

1:31:57And there was a, you know, the people were very upset about this and they protested.

1:32:04Prime Minister of Ireland, instead of saying, yeah, we really shouldn't be importing violent

1:32:10rapists into our country.

1:32:12He criticized the protesters instead and didn't mention that.

1:32:15That the reason they were protesting was because a ten-year-old gold from this small town got

1:32:20raped.

1:32:21So here's the question.

1:32:22Why are they supporting this kind of mass immigration?

1:32:26What is this is there a plan

1:32:30Involved in all this is just is this incompetence is this?

1:32:35Ignoring the fact that they don't have a handle on it. So they're trying to silence dissent like what is happening

1:32:47Because if you want to destroy civilization if you want to destroy Western civilization

1:32:52Which sorry seems to want to do?

1:32:55and

1:32:57And you know, there's just, so there's a guy, I think,

1:33:05I don't know if he's been on your show, you know, God's side?

1:33:07Yeah.

1:33:08Has he been on the show?

1:33:08Good friend, man.

1:33:09Yeah, he's great.

1:33:10He's been on multiple times.

1:33:11Oh, great.

1:33:12That's awesome.

1:33:13Yeah.

1:33:13So, you know, he's got a good way to describe it,

1:33:17which is suicidal empathy.

1:33:18Yes.

1:33:19So, is that you prey upon people's empathy?

1:33:23You say like, well, like you feel sorry for something,

1:33:26for some group.

1:33:27And then like, well, that empathy is to such a degree

1:33:33that it is suicidal to your country or culture.

1:33:41And that's suicidal empathy.

1:33:44Because I think we should have empathy.

1:33:47But that empathy should extend to the victims, not just

1:33:52the criminals.

1:33:53we should have empathy for the people that they pray upon.

1:33:58But that suicidal empathy is also responsible

1:34:01for why somebody arrested 47 times for violent offenses

1:34:06gets released and then goes and murder somebody in the US.

1:34:11You see that same phenomenon playing out everywhere

1:34:15where the suicidal empathy is to such a degree

1:34:18that we're actually allowing our woman to get raped

1:34:23and our children to get killed.

1:34:26But it just doesn't seem like that would be anything

1:34:30that any rational society would go along with.

1:34:33That's what makes me so confused.

1:34:35It's like you're importing massive numbers of people

1:34:39that come from some really dark places of the world.

1:34:42Well, there's no vetting issue.

1:34:43It's like if there's no vetting,

1:34:49like people are just coming through.

1:34:51Well, what's the staff, someone who just committed

1:34:53murder in some other country from coming to the United

1:34:57States or coming to Britain and just

1:35:01continuing their career of rape and murder?

1:35:04Unless you've done, and this is some due diligence,

1:35:07to say, well, who is this person?

1:35:09What's the track record?

1:35:12If you haven't confirmed that they have a track record of being

1:35:18honest and not being a homicidal maniac, then any homicidal maniac can just come across the

1:35:24border.

1:35:25And let's not say everyone who comes across the border is a homicidal maniac, but if you

1:35:28don't have a vetting process to confirm that you're not letting in people who will do some

1:35:37serious violence, you will get people who do serious violence sometimes coming through.

1:35:42Well, especially if you don't punish them and if you don't deport them.

1:35:46And if you are just like, what is the purpose of allowing all those people into the country?

1:35:51I wouldn't imagine that anyone in their society supports this.

1:35:54Well, let me explain.

1:35:55So because you mentioned, for example, how much, say, Hillary and Obama have changed their

1:36:03tune from prior speeches where they were hard-nosed about not letting anyone who is a criminal

1:36:12into the country, you know, having secure borders, all that stuff.

1:36:17So why did they change their tune?

1:36:18The reason is that they discovered that those people vote for them.

1:36:23That's why they want the open borders.

1:36:26Because if you let people in, they know the Democrats let them in, they'll vote for Democrats

1:36:31if you allow them to vote.

1:36:34Which they're actively trying to do it.

1:36:36They turn a blind eye to illegal voting.

1:36:38Well, California literally doesn't allow you to show your license.

1:36:42California and New York have made it illegal to show your photo ID when voting.

1:36:46Thus, effectively, they've made it impossible to prove fraud.

1:36:53Impossible.

1:36:54They've essentially legalized fraudulent voting in California and New York and many other

1:36:58parts of the country.

1:36:59There's no rational explanation that I've ever seen anyone give as to why that would

1:37:03be the policy.

1:37:05unless you were trying to just allow people to vote illegally because there's no other

1:37:09reason.

1:37:10If you need a driver's license or you need an ID for everything else, including just recently

1:37:15to prove that you were vaccinated.

1:37:17The same people who are demanding that you have a vaccine passport and are the same ones

1:37:24saying you need no ID to vote.

1:37:27Same people.

1:37:28Right.

1:37:29So it's obviously hypocritical and inconsistent.

1:37:32So you really think it's just to get more voters?

1:37:35If you want to understand behavior, you have to look at the incentives.

1:37:42So once the Democratic Party in the US on the left in Europe realized that if you have

1:37:52open borders and you provide a tonic government handouts, which creates a massive financial incentive

1:37:59for people from other countries to come to your country, and you don't prosecute them

1:38:04for crime, they're going to be beholden to you, and they will vote for you.

1:38:10And that's why Obama and Hillary went from being against open borders to being in favor

1:38:20of open borders.

1:38:21That's the reason in order to import voters so they can win elections.

1:38:30And the problem is that that has a negative runaway effect.

1:38:34So if they get away with that, it is a winning strategy.

1:38:39If they are allowed to get away with it, they will import as enough voters to get super

1:38:44majority voting.

1:38:46And then there is no turning back.

1:38:47We talked about this before the election.

1:38:49And then you literally pointed towards the camera.

1:38:52You face the camera and said that if you do not vote now,

1:38:54you might not ever be able to do it again.

1:38:56Because it'll be futile.

1:38:58It'll be overrun.

1:39:00Yes.

1:39:01They'll keep the borders open for another four years

1:39:03and their objective will be achieved.

1:39:05Correct.

1:39:05If Trump had lost,

1:39:08there would never have been another real election again.

1:39:12Because Trump is actually enforcing the border.

1:39:15Now, you can point to situations where this has been, you know, immigration enforcement

1:39:28has been overzealous because they're not going to be perfect.

1:39:31There'll be cases where they've been overzealous in expelling illegals.

1:39:37So but if you say that the standard must be perfection for expelling illegals, then

1:39:43you will not get any expulsion because perfection is impossible.

1:39:49So and you've probably got millions of people that are here that are trying to

1:39:55be here under some asylum pretense, right?

1:40:00Yes. Like you could just come from a war.

1:40:01Well, they changed the definition of asylum to be an economic to be economic asylum,

1:40:08which is everybody, which is everybody.

1:40:11So it's part of proof.

1:40:13Yeah, asylum is supposed to mean that if you go back to your country, you'll get killed.

1:40:21That's what we mean by asylum.

1:40:22That was supposed to mean the change of definition of asylum to be you will have a decreased

1:40:27standard of living, which is obviously not real asylum.

1:40:33And you can test the absurdity of this by the fact that people who are asylum seekers

1:40:37go on vacation to the country that they're seeking asylum from.

1:40:41That doesn't make any sense.

1:40:44Yeah, it doesn't have to.

1:40:46When you understand the incentives, then you understand the behavior.

1:40:54So once the left realized that the legal will vote for them, if they have open borders and combine that with

1:41:06with govern handouts, to create a massive incentive.

1:41:10They're basically using US and European taxpayer dollars

1:41:17to provide a financial incentive

1:41:20to bring in as many legal as possible

1:41:22to vote them into permanent power

1:41:25and create a one-party state.

1:41:28And I invite anyone who's listening to this,

1:41:31just do any research.

1:41:34And the more you dig into it, the more it will become obvious that what I'm saying is absolutely

1:41:39true.

1:41:40Well, they were busing people to swing states.

1:41:43It's clear that they were trying to do something.

1:41:45And then you had Chuck Schumer and Nancy Pelosi who are actively talking about the need to

1:41:50bring in people to make them citizens because we're in population collapse.

1:41:54Yes.

1:41:55Yeah.

1:41:56No, it's that meme.

1:41:58Yeah.

1:41:59So many times where they start off by saying it's it's not true. It's a right-wing conspiracy theorist

1:42:05right then it starts then then it's like I think the next step is

1:42:13Well, it might be true and then it's like okay. It is true

1:42:17But here's why and then the final step is it's true and here's why it's good

1:42:21Yeah, and it's like but wait a second you start off saying it's untrue and it's right-wing conspiracy theorist now

1:42:26Now you're saying it not only is it true, but it's a good thing and we must do more of

1:42:30it.

1:42:31Well, this is the thing about Medicaid and Social Security and people getting Social Security

1:42:35numbers, you know, that we're leaving.

1:42:38It's massive fraud.

1:42:39It's massive fraud.

1:42:40And it's real and they denied it forever.

1:42:42And now we're finding out this is part of the reason why this is government shutdown is

1:42:46going out right now.

1:42:47Yes.

1:42:48The entire basis for the government shutdown is that the Trump administration correctly

1:42:55does not want to send massive amounts of like

1:42:59hundreds of billions of dollars

1:43:01uh... to fund

1:43:03uh... illegal immigrants in the blue states or in all the states really

1:43:08and so the

1:43:09and democrats

1:43:11want to keep them from the money spigot going

1:43:14to incent

1:43:15uh... illegal immigrants to come into the u.s. who will vote for them

1:43:19that's the crux of the battle

1:43:22so they want to stop

1:43:24this. So what's going on right now is they have been funding these people. They've been giving them

1:43:29EBT cards. They've been giving them Medicaid and they've been even housed. And more than that,

1:43:34just like like they were like they were taking hotels like four or five star hotels, like the

1:43:42Roosevelt Hotel being the classic example was they were sending I think $60 million a year to the

1:43:48the Roseville Hotel, which all it did was house legal.

1:43:53It used to be an ice hotel.

1:43:54I mean, it still is an ice hotel.

1:43:59And all around the country, this was happening.

1:44:02And all tax dollars.

1:44:03Yes.

1:44:04Yeah.

1:44:05And the Toronto administration,

1:44:08Cado funding, for example, to the Roseville Hotel

1:44:14and these other hotels saying like,

1:44:16It's US tax dollars should not be paid. We sent to have luxury hotels for

1:44:23legal immigrants that American citizens can't even afford. Which obviously is

1:44:27okay. That's that's insane. That's what was happening. They were also

1:44:32giving out like debit cards with $10,000. So it's not just about medical care.

1:44:37The Democrats mentioned medical care because they're trying to prey on

1:44:42people's empathy as much as possible.

1:44:45And then they imagine, oh, wow, somebody has a desperately needed medical procedure, and

1:44:50shouldn't we maybe take care of them in that regard?

1:44:54But what they do is they divert the Medicaid funds and turn it into a slush fund for the

1:45:00states that goes well beyond emergency medical care.

1:45:07New York and California would be bankrupt without the massive fraudulent federal payments that

1:45:12go to those states to pay for legals, to create a massive financial incentive for legals.

1:45:19How would they be bankrupt because of that?

1:45:21They wouldn't be able to balance the state budgets and they can't issue currency like

1:45:23the Federal Reserve can.

1:45:27So their ability to balance budgets dependent upon illegals getting funding?

1:45:33The scam level here is so staggering.

1:45:40So there are hundreds of billions of dollars of transfer payments from the federal government

1:45:47to the states.

1:45:50Those transfer payments, the state's self-report what those transfer payment numbers should

1:45:57be.

1:45:58So California and New York and Illinois lie like crazy and say that these are all legitimate

1:46:05payments.

1:46:06I think they're even admitting that they literally want hundreds of billion dollars for

1:46:12legal.

1:46:14But for a while they're trying to deny it.

1:46:18So you get these transfer payments for every government program you can possibly think

1:46:22of.

1:46:25And these are self-reported by the state.

1:46:27And at least historically there was no enforcement of California, New York, Illinois, and other

1:46:35states when they would lie, there was no actual enforcement to say like, hey, you're lying

1:46:40these payments of fraudulent.

1:46:43Now under the Trump administration, the Trump administration does not want to send hundreds

1:46:49of billions of fraud fraudulent payments to the states.

1:46:54And the reason you have the standoff is because if the hundreds of billions of dollars to create

1:47:02a financial incentive to have this giant magnet to attract illegals from every part of Earth,

1:47:06to to the states if that is turned off they the the illegals will leave

1:47:13because they're no longer being paid to

1:47:16Come to the United States and stay here. Wow

1:47:19And then then then then they will lose a lot of voters the the Democratic Party will lose a lot of voters

1:47:25And they would have a very difficult job if this is kicked out of reintroducing it into a new bill. Yes

1:47:32Especially once things start normalizing

1:47:34Yes. So like in a nutshell, the Democratic Party wants to destroy democracy by importing

1:47:42voters and the Republican Party disagrees with that.

1:47:48And the ruses that if you don't accept what they're doing, then you're a threat to democracy.

1:47:53Yes.

1:47:54As they try to destroy democracy.

1:47:56Yes.

1:47:57By importing voters.

1:47:58That is literally what they're doing.

1:48:00to only vote for them and overwhelming the system.

1:48:05Yes. And by the way, it's a strategy that if allowed to work would work.

1:48:09And in fact has worked. California super majority, a Democrat.

1:48:14Yeah. And there's so much gerrymandering that that that occurs.

1:48:18It's crazy. So I'm sure you're paying attention to this proposition 50 thing.

1:48:24I know it's the thing in California where they're trying to redo districts.

1:48:29Yeah, yeah.

1:48:30Because I mean, California is already gerrymandered like crazy.

1:48:34Yeah.

1:48:35They want to gerrymandered even more.

1:48:37And I mean,

1:48:38Just keeps moving further and further right.

1:48:40Like if you look at the map of California, each voting cycle, more and more people are

1:48:45waking up and going, what the fuck?

1:48:47And we need to do something to fix this.

1:48:49The only option available other than the policies that you guys have always done is go right.

1:48:54And so a lot of people have been air quotes red-pilled.

1:48:58Mm-hmm.

1:48:59And then here's another thing that is very important.

1:49:03In fact, that is actually not disputed by either side, which is that when we do the census

1:49:08in the United States, the way the census works for apportionment of congressional seats and

1:49:14electoral college votes for the president is by a number of persons in the state, not

1:49:20number of citizens.

1:49:21It's number of people.

1:49:23So you could literally be a tourist and you will count.

1:49:27Now, how do they do the census when they do that?

1:49:30Do they ask people?

1:49:32Do they knock on doors?

1:49:33Do they have them fill out forms?

1:49:35Yeah, I think they mail out census forms and knock on doors.

1:49:40But the way the law reads right now is that if you are a human with a pulse, then you

1:49:51You count in the census for allocating congressional seats and presidential votes.

1:49:59So electoral college, everything.

1:50:03It doesn't matter whether you hear illegally, illegally.

1:50:07If you're a human with a pulse, you count for congressional apportionment.

1:50:12So that means that the more people, the more illegals that California and New York can

1:50:18import by the time the census happens in 2030, the more correct congressional seats they

1:50:24will have, and the more presidential electoral college votes they will have.

1:50:32So they're trying to get as many illegals in as possible ahead of the census.

1:50:39And because all human beings, even tourists, count for the census.

1:50:45And then if you combine that with gerrymandering of districts

1:50:49in New York and California, let's point out

1:50:52with this proposition, whether they're

1:50:54trying to increase the amount of gerrymandering that

1:50:56occurs in California, the biggest state in the country.

1:50:59So if the census then would award more congressional seats

1:51:05to California because of a vast number of illegals

1:51:10in New York and Illinois, so they'll

1:51:12get more congressional seats, they'll get more presidential,

1:51:16electoral college votes that would get them the house,

1:51:20the majority of the house, and they would get to decide

1:51:24who is president, literally based on legal.

1:51:28These are not disputed facts by either party.

1:51:33I want to emphasize that that's in case.

1:51:35Yeah, this is not a dispute.

1:51:36These are not disputed facts by either party.

1:51:38It's not a, this is just the way the law works.

1:51:44it's it is a you know like I don't think the law should work that way. I think it should

1:51:51the apportionment should be proportionate to two to two citizens. But isn't that a problem

1:51:55with how the Constitution is written? Yeah, yeah. Yeah. They can't really change that.

1:52:01I'm not sure if it's constitutional or but it is the way the law is written. I'm not sure if

1:52:06it's in the Constitution or not in this way but but it is that is the way the law is written.

1:52:11So it is an incentive, but it's an incentive that would be removed with something simple

1:52:16that makes sense to everybody that only the people that should count are people that are

1:52:21official US citizens.

1:52:23Yes.

1:52:24The way it should work is that only US citizens should count in the sense for purposes of

1:52:28determining voting power.

1:52:31Because people that aren't legal can't vote, supposedly.

1:52:34They're not supposed to be voting, but they do.

1:52:38But even if besides that, I just can't emphasize this enough,

1:52:42because this is a very important concept for people

1:52:44to understand, is that the law, as it stands,

1:52:51counts all humans with a pulse in a state

1:52:56for deciding how many House representative votes

1:53:00and how many presidential electoral college votes

1:53:03as state gets.

1:53:05So the incentive, therefore, is for California,

1:53:09Illinois to maximize the number of illegals.

1:53:12So they get, so they take house seats away from red states,

1:53:17assign them to California, New York, Illinois, and so forth.

1:53:20Then you combine that with extreme gerrymandering

1:53:24in a California, Illinois, and whatnot.

1:53:27So that basically you can't even elect any Republicans.

1:53:31And then they get control of the presidency,

1:53:33control of the house, then they keep doing that strategy and

1:53:37cement a super majority. That is what they're trying to do.

1:53:43So that would essentially turn the entire country into California.

1:53:45Yes. Well, you have differing opinions, but it doesn't matter,

1:53:48because one party is always in control. Yes.

1:53:53When you first started digging into this, when you first started,

1:53:57before you even accepted this role of running doge and being a part of

1:54:02Did you have any idea that it was this fucked up?

1:54:05I did, yeah.

1:54:07I mean, I sort of...

1:54:08When did you start knowing?

1:54:10I guess about like...

1:54:12Well, about two years ago.

1:54:13Isn't that crazy?

1:54:14Yeah, relatively recently, you know.

1:54:16Yeah.

1:54:17So maybe I started having...

1:54:19Well, I started having like, basically having a bad feeling

1:54:22about three years ago, which is why I felt it was critical to

1:54:27acquire Twitter and have a maximally true seeking platform.

1:54:31not one that suppresses the truth.

1:54:33And like it was more like, I'm not sure what's going on,

1:54:40but I have a bad feeling about what's going on.

1:54:43And then the more I dug into it, the more I was like,

1:54:45holy shit, we got a real problem here.

1:54:47America's gonna fall.

1:54:49Without anyone knowing it had fallen.

1:54:52That would be the problem.

1:54:53It could have fallen and been unrepairable without anyone

1:54:57really being aware of what had happened.

1:55:00Especially if you didn't buy Twitter. Yes. That's that's look by Twitter was a huge pain in the ass

1:55:06and made me a

1:55:09A pin cushion of attacks like dab dab dab dab everybody loved you before that well some people still a lot of people loved you

1:55:16Lot of lefties loved you

1:55:18I was a hero of the left. It was a thing if you drove a Tesla it showed that you were environmentally conscious

1:55:24Yes, and you were on the right side

1:55:27Yeah

1:55:29Yeah, I mean, I'm still the same human.

1:55:33I didn't like have a brain transplant between, you know, since, in like three years ago,

1:55:37you know, um,

1:55:38Well, that's my favorite bumper sticker that people put on Teslas now.

1:55:41I bought this before Elon went crazy.

1:55:43I took a picture one the other day.

1:55:45Oh, you found this.

1:55:46Oh, yeah.

1:55:47I've seen, I've seen three or four of them.

1:55:49People that have these bumper stickers on their car.

1:55:51It says I bought this before Elon went crazy because when people were.

1:55:55Yeah, we were Teslas.

1:55:57Yeah.

1:55:58The most organized campaign to literally burn down Teslas and we had one of our dealers

1:56:05who got shut up with the fire bullets in the Tesla dealership.

1:56:10They're burning down cars.

1:56:13It was crazy.

1:56:17But the bumper sticker should read, and it should be an addendum to the bumper sticker.

1:56:21It's like, I've bought this car before Elon turned crazy.

1:56:26now I realize he's not crazy and I've seen the light. That'll take some time.

1:56:34People don't want to admit that they've been tricked. Yeah, I mean, that old saying

1:56:39where it's like it's really easy to fool somebody but it's almost impossible to

1:56:43convince someone that they were fooled. Yeah, it's much easier to fold them than to

1:56:47convince them they've been fooled. People cling to their ideas. Yes. Especially if

1:56:52they've like publicly stated these things. They get very embarrassed of being foolish.

1:56:57Yeah, people most of the double down. And they find echo chambers.

1:57:03Yeah. Yeah. But with this, you know, the thing is that, like, I've seen more and more

1:57:09people who were convinced of the sort of work ideology, see the light. Yeah.

1:57:17So not everyone, but it's more and more are seeing the light.

1:57:22And it tends to happen like when something happens

1:57:24that really directly affects you.

1:57:26Right.

1:57:27You know, like there was a friend of mine

1:57:29who was living in the San Francisco Bay Area

1:57:34and that tried to trans his daughter.

1:57:38It did like to the point where the school sent the police

1:57:43to his house to take his daughter away from him.

1:57:46Now, that's going to radicalize you.

1:57:50Well, that's going to shake you out of your blue structure.

1:57:54So it was an activist at the school that was trying to do this?

1:57:59Yeah, the school and the state of California conspired to turn his daughter against him

1:58:05and make her take life-altering drugs that would have sterilized her and irreversible.

1:58:14And how old was she?

1:58:15I think 14, something like that.

1:58:20And he managed to talk the police

1:58:22out of taking his daughter away from him that day.

1:58:25And that night he got on a plane to Texas.

1:58:29Wow.

1:58:31And a year after just being in a school

1:58:37in like Greater Austin area,

1:58:41she went back to normal.

1:58:43Meaning like it wasn't real.

1:58:45Right. Well, people are being much more open to that now. I mean, Wall Street Journal yesterday

1:58:53had that opinion piece that this whole trans thing, there's a lot of evidence is a social

1:58:58contagion. Absolutely. And Colin Wright wrote that. And then he's getting death threats

1:59:03now, of course. And I'm blue sky is people talking about exterminating him, which is

1:59:07one thing that you are allowed to say. I'm blue sky, apparently. You're allowed to say

1:59:11say horrible things about people, say possibly truthful things about this whole social contagion.

1:59:18Because that's what, when you get nine kids that are in a friend group and they all decide

1:59:22to turn trans together, something's wrong.

1:59:25Something's wrong.

1:59:26That's not statistically feasible.

1:59:30You can convince kids to do anything.

1:59:31You can convince kids to be a suicide bomber.

1:59:34Which is why they do, in some countries, why they choose children to do that.

1:59:40You can train kids to be suicide bombs.

1:59:41And if you can train kids to be suicide bombs, you can convince them of anything.

1:59:45Yeah.

1:59:46Especially with an opposite of enforcement and cultural enforcement.

1:59:49And the idea that that's not the case.

1:59:52The kids are malleable.

1:59:56The minds of youth are easily corrupted.

1:59:58You're also seeing a lot of pushback from gay and lesbian people that are saying like,

2:00:01hey, if someone did this.

2:00:02So stop including me.

2:00:03Yeah, exactly.

2:00:04Yeah.

2:00:05The LGBT, you know, it's like, wait a second.

2:00:08why are we being included all the time in this situation?

2:00:10Exactly, exactly.

2:00:11Especially when, you know, like my friend Tim Dillon's talked about this,

2:00:15is like it's really homophobic because you're taking these gay kids

2:00:19and you're telling them like, hey, you're not gay, you're actually a girl.

2:00:23Yes.

2:00:23And you know, go make it so that you can have an orgasm again

2:00:27and you'll be happy.

2:00:29Like, yeah.

2:00:30Fuck the question.

2:00:31Permanent mutilation, permanent castration of kids is like,

2:00:35I think we should look at anyone who permanently castrates a kid as like right up there with

2:00:43the Joseph Mangala.

2:00:45I mean they're mutilating children.

2:00:48Yeah.

2:00:49Yeah.

2:00:50And it's thought of as being kind.

2:00:53And the things, would you rather have a live daughter or a dead son?

2:00:57That's the line that you...

2:00:59Which is not supported by any data.

2:01:01No.

2:01:02The probability of suicide increases,

2:01:05this is important maybe for audience to know,

2:01:07the probability of suicide increases if you're trans a kid,

2:01:11not decreases.

2:01:13By some accounts, it triples.

2:01:15So that is an evil lie.

2:01:18And it's a lie that is supposedly compassionate.

2:01:22Imagine you've twisted reality to the point

2:01:24where confusing a child

2:01:28that's not even legally allowed to get a fucking tattoo.

2:01:31Right, because you think that you could make a mistake with a tattoo.

2:01:34It's a totally removable thing.

2:01:36Right.

2:01:36If I wanted to tomorrow, I could go to a doctor and they could laser off every tattoo that I have on me.

2:01:40Right.

2:01:42Okay, no harm, no foul.

2:01:43Yeah.

2:01:43You get sterilized, like that's it forever.

2:01:46Forever.

2:01:47Yes.

2:01:48Though, castrate you, you no longer have testicles.

2:01:50Yes, that's not coming back.

2:01:52You have a hole where your penis used to be.

2:01:54Yes.

2:01:54And this is compassionate.

2:01:55And this is preventing you from...

2:01:56Actually, a lot of kids die.

2:01:58in these sex change operations.

2:02:02They died, the number of deaths on the operating table,

2:02:05people don't hear about this.

2:02:07A lot of the kids, because we don't really actually

2:02:12have the technology to make this work.

2:02:14So a bunch of the times the kids just die

2:02:15in the sex change operations.

2:02:18Jesus Christ.

2:02:19Yeah, it's demented, which it should be viewed as like,

2:02:22You know, like evil Nazi doctor stuff.

2:02:28That's why it was real Nazi,

2:02:30not the bullshit vague Nazi stuff.

2:02:31Crazy that even pushing back against something

2:02:34that seems like fundamentally logically,

2:02:37very easy to argue, the old Twitter would ban you forever.

2:02:42Yes.

2:02:45That's how crazy a social contagion can get.

2:02:48When it completely defies logic, victimizes children,

2:02:52does something that makes no sense,

2:02:53does not sport it by data, all connected to this ideology that trans is good, we got to

2:02:59save trans kids, protect trans kids.

2:03:02Yeah, and what I want to emphasize is that the save trans kids thing is a lie.

2:03:08If you castrate kids and trans them, their probability of suicide increases, it does not

2:03:15decrease, it substantially increases.

2:03:20The studies have done that I've seen the risk of suicide

2:03:24triples if you trans kids.

2:03:27So you're not saving them, you're killing them.

2:03:29Moreover, during the sex change operation,

2:03:32there are many deaths that occur

2:03:34during the sex change operation.

2:03:38Jesus Christ.

2:03:41It's just crazy that this is a real issue.

2:03:43Yeah, it's a nightmare fever dream,

2:03:46and people are finally waking up from it.

2:03:51Now when you started getting into the doge stuff and started finding how much money is

2:03:57being shuffled around and moved around to NGOs and how much money is involved and just

2:04:05totally untraceable funds like this is again something like two years plus ago you weren't

2:04:12aware of it all.

2:04:15I was aware of it. I just didn't realize how big it was. Just how much waste and

2:04:22ford there is in the government is truly vast. In fact, the government didn't even

2:04:27know nor did they care. That's crazy. Yeah. And I mean, just like some of the very

2:04:38basic stuff that Doge did will have lasting effects. And some of these things

2:04:44They're so elementary you can't believe it.

2:04:47So the Doge team got the most of the main payments computers to require the congressional

2:05:00appropriation code.

2:05:01So when a payment is made, you have to actually enter the congressional appropriation code.

2:05:05That used to be optional and often would be just left blank.

2:05:09So the money would just go out but it wasn't even tied to a congressional appropriation.

2:05:14And the team also made the comment field for the payment mandatory.

2:05:19So you have to say something.

2:05:20We're not saying that what is said, like you can say anything.

2:05:24Your cat could run across the keyboard.

2:05:26You could go QWERTY-A-SDF.

2:05:28But you have to say something above nothing.

2:05:31Because what we found was that there were tens of billions, maybe hundreds of billions,

2:05:34of dollars that were zombie payments.

2:05:37So somebody had approved a payment, something that government approved a payment.

2:05:43and some recurring payment, and they retired or died or changed jobs, and no one turned

2:05:51the money off.

2:05:54So the money would just keep going out.

2:05:56And it's a pretty rare company.

2:05:58Go where?

2:05:59To a company or an individual.

2:06:03And it's a pretty rare company or individual who will complain that they're getting money

2:06:07that they should not get.

2:06:09And a bunch of the money was just going to transfer payments to the states.

2:06:13So these are automatic payments.

2:06:14Yeah, just automatic payments.

2:06:15No accounting for them at all.

2:06:16I imagine there's an automatic debit of your credit card.

2:06:20And you never look at the statement.

2:06:24So it's just money going out.

2:06:26It's a close by call them zombie payments.

2:06:31There might have been legitimate at one point, but the person who approved that recurring

2:06:35payment changed jobs, died, retired or whatever, and no one ever turned the money off.

2:06:43My guess is that's probably at least $100 billion a year, maybe 200.

2:06:51And going where?

2:06:59There are millions of these payments.

2:07:01So it's...

2:07:02Millions.

2:07:03Yes, millions of payments that are going to who knows where.

2:07:08Yes.

2:07:09In a bunch of cases, there are fraud rings that operate, professional fraud rings that operate

2:07:13to exploit the system. They figure out some security hole in the system and they just

2:07:19do professional fraud. And that's what we found, for example, people who were 300 years

2:07:29old in the Social Security Administration database.

2:07:33Now, I thought that this was a mistake of not registering their deaths. That people

2:07:40were born like a long time ago and it had defaulted to like a certain number and so that after

2:07:46time, those people were still in the system, it was just an error of the way the accounting

2:07:52was done.

2:07:53Yeah.

2:07:54So that's not true.

2:07:57So there's or at least one of two things must be true.

2:08:04There's a typo or some mistake in the computer or it's fraudulent.

2:08:09we don't have any three hundred-year-old vampires living in America.

2:08:12Allegedly.

2:08:13Allegedly.

2:08:14And we don't have people in some cases who are receiving payments who are born in the future.

2:08:21One in the future?

2:08:24One in the future.

2:08:25Really?

2:08:25Yes.

2:08:26The people are receiving payments whose birth date was like in 2100 and something.

2:08:34Okay, so there's like next century.

2:08:36Is there a task force?

2:08:37We know that one of two things must be true, that either there's a mistake in the computer

2:08:43or it's fraud.

2:08:46But if you have someone's birthday that's either in the future or where they are older

2:08:50than the oldest living American, because the oldest living American was 114 years old.

2:08:54So if they're more than 114 years old, there is either a mistake and someone should call

2:08:59them and say, I think we have your birthday wrong because it says you were born in 1786.

2:09:09And that was before there was really an America.

2:09:15It was like, this is kind of early.

2:09:21We're still fighting England type of thing.

2:09:26It's like this person either needs to be in the Guinness World Records or they're not

2:09:32alive.

2:09:33But still, at the end of the day, money is going towards that account that's connected

2:09:36to this person that is either nonexistent or dead.

2:09:41Yeah.

2:09:42So there was like, I think, something like 20 million people in the Social Security Administration

2:09:50database that could not possibly be alive.

2:09:55Based on their birthday, they could not possibly be alive.

2:09:58And to be clear, 20 million people that were receiving funds?

2:10:05Most of them were not receiving funds.

2:10:08Some of them were receiving funds.

2:10:09Most were not receiving funds.

2:10:10But so let me tell you how the scam works.

2:10:12It's a bank shot.

2:10:13So the Social Security Administration database is used as the source of truth by all the other

2:10:19databases that the government uses. So even if they stop the payments on the Social Security

2:10:24Administration database, like unemployment insurance, small business administration, student

2:10:29loans, all check the Social Security Administration database to say, is this a legitimate, alive

2:10:36person? And if the Social Security database will say, yes, this person is still alive,

2:10:42even though they're 200 years old. But forget to mention that they're 200 years old. It

2:10:46It just returns, when the computer is queried, it says, yes, this person is live.

2:10:54And so then they're able to exploit the entire rest of the government ecosystem.

2:10:59So fake, then you get fake student loans, then you get fake unemployment insurance, then

2:11:02you get fake medical payments.

2:11:04And this doesn't have to be tied to an individual where there's an address, we can check on this

2:11:09person.

2:11:10No, if you did, if you just did any check at all, you would stop this.

2:11:17So that's so so so how much money do you think is any check it like anything at all?

2:11:23That would stop the Ford like any effort at all

2:11:28Yeah, so there's multiple layers. Yes, so security number verifies that this is a real person right and then the other systems

2:11:35Check up on every other government payment and every other government payment system for everything for like a small small business administration

2:11:42student loans

2:11:45Medicaid Medicare

2:11:47every other government payment of which there are many that are actually hundreds of government

2:11:50payment systems

2:11:51uh... can all be exploited so long as

2:11:54social security

2:11:56database says this person is alive

2:11:59that's the nature of the scam it's a bank shot

2:12:02so then the the rebuttal from the damage is like all will the vast majority of the

2:12:06people who mocks his life in the social security administration would receive

2:12:08social security administration payments

2:12:10that is true what they forgot to mention is that getting for a little payments from

2:12:13every other government program

2:12:17And that's why the lambs were so opposed to declaring someone dead who was dead.

2:12:23Because it would stop the entire other, all the other fraud from happening.

2:12:27And so, but all this, is it trackable?

2:12:29Like all this other fraud?

2:12:31If they wanted to, they could chase it all down.

2:12:33Yes, not even hard.

2:12:36And yet they're opposing, chasing it all down.

2:12:38They're posing chasing it all down because it turns off the money magnet for the

2:12:43the illegals. Wow. Because it's very logical to like, like I'm saying the most common

2:12:53tense things possible. If someone's got a birthday in Social Security, that is an impossible

2:13:00birthday, meaning they are older than the oldest living American or born in the future, then

2:13:07you should call them and say, excuse me, we seem to have your birthday wrong. Because

2:13:13It says that you're 200 years old.

2:13:16That's all you need to do.

2:13:19And then you would remove them from the Social Security database

2:13:21to make that number no longer available for all

2:13:23those other government payments.

2:13:24Exactly.

2:13:25Wow.

2:13:29And how much money are we talking?

2:13:31It's 100 hundreds of billions of dollars.

2:13:34And this is all traceable.

2:13:36Like you could hunt all this down.

2:13:37But you don't need to be Sherlock Holmes here,

2:13:39is what I'm saying.

2:13:41Well, we don't need to call Sherlock Holmes for this one.

2:13:43Is this part of this?

2:13:44You just need to call the person and say,

2:13:47excuse me, we seem to have to,

2:13:49like we must have your birthday wrong

2:13:53because it says you're tired of your old or were born

2:13:55in the future.

2:13:57So could you tell us what your birthday is?

2:14:00That's what we need to do.

2:14:01It says that simple.

2:14:02But the all these other government payments

2:14:05that are available that are connected

2:14:06to the Social Security number,

2:14:08it seems like if you just chased that all down,

2:14:13you would find

2:14:14the widespread fraud

2:14:16you would find where it's going

2:14:18yes the the the root of the problem is the social security right administration

2:14:22database

2:14:22because

2:14:23uh...

2:14:24the social security number in the united states is used as a defacto national

2:14:28ID number

2:14:32you know that's why it like if the bank always ask for your social right

2:14:35so it's like

2:14:37you know any financial institution will ask for your

2:14:39social security number

2:14:44this is it sounds so insane that this isn't chased down

2:14:48be like that agree that it may be that all in and of itself is

2:14:52that such

2:14:53mishandling

2:14:58that's why it's my blowing

2:15:01so yeah

2:15:01it's crazy

2:15:02well you were very reluctant last time you're here to talk about the extent of

2:15:06some of the fraud

2:15:08because you like

2:15:10they could kill me because this is kind of oh it what it yeah what it's saying

2:15:13is that

2:15:15um...

2:15:16the like if you create if

2:15:19to be pragmatic and realistic, you actually can't manage to zero fraud.

2:15:29Yet you can manage to low fraud number but not to zero fraud.

2:15:32If you manage to zero fraud, you're going to push so many people over the edge

2:15:37who are receiving fraudulent payments that the number of inbound homicidal maniacs will

2:15:41be really hard to overcome.

2:15:45So I'm actually taking, I think, quite a reasonable position which is that we should

2:15:49simply reduce the amount of fraud, which I think is not an extremist position.

2:15:56And we should aspire to have less fraud over time.

2:16:01Not that we should be ultra-ducroconian and eliminate every less crap of fraud, which I

2:16:09guess would be nice to have, but we don't even need to go that extreme.

2:16:12I'm saying we should just stop the blatant large-scale super obvious fraud.

2:16:16I think that's a reasonable position.

2:16:19It's a very reasonable position.

2:16:20And so what was the most shocking pushback that you got when you started implementing

2:16:27Doge, when you started investigating into where money was going?

2:16:34Well, I guess this was, I should have anticipated this, but while most of the fraudulent government

2:16:44payments to, especially to the NGOs, go to the Democrats, most of it, I don't know, for

2:16:49arguments say, let's say 80%, not maybe 90%.

2:16:5510% to 20% of it does go to Republicans.

2:16:59And so when we're turn off funding to a fraudulent NGO,

2:17:03we'd get complaints from whatever the 10% of Republicans

2:17:06who are receiving the money.

2:17:09And they would very loudly complain.

2:17:15Because the honest answer is the Republicans

2:17:19are partly they're receiving some of the fraud too.

2:17:23They're getting a big.

2:17:25Jesus.

2:17:28Yeah, I wanna be clear,

2:17:30it's not like the Republican Party is some

2:17:33ultra pure paragon of virtue.

2:17:35No. Okay.

2:17:37Well you see that with the congressional insider training,

2:17:40it's across the board.

2:17:42Yeah, it's left and right.

2:17:43I mean, the whole uni-party criticism

2:17:46has some validity to it, you know?

2:17:48There's, so.

2:17:50And it's like if you turn off fraudulent payments,

2:17:54it's not like, like I said,

2:17:55it's not like 100% of those payments

2:17:57were going to Democrats, a small percentage

2:17:59will go also going to Republicans,

2:18:01those Republicans complain very loudly.

2:18:05And you know, and that's,

2:18:11so there was a lot of pushback on the Republican side

2:18:15before we started cutting some of these funds.

2:18:18And I tried telling them like,

2:18:19Well, you know, 90% of the money is going to your opponents.

2:18:24But they still, even if they're getting 10% of money.

2:18:26They want their piece.

2:18:28Yeah, they want their piece.

2:18:29And they've been getting that piece for a long time.

2:18:30Yes.

2:18:35This is why, you know, politics is like.

2:18:37It's dirty business.

2:18:39Yeah, I mean, that's like saying, if you like sausages

2:18:43and respect the Lord, you don't watch either of them

2:18:46being made.

2:18:47Yeah.

2:18:48Yeah.

2:18:49Wow.

2:18:50Well, that's not even true because I've made sausage before.

2:18:56Yeah, yeah, it's actually like, it's not that big a deal.

2:18:59Yeah, it's not that big a deal.

2:19:00Yeah, fat and spices and casing right through the machine.

2:19:03Not that big a deal.

2:19:05Yeah.

2:19:06But, yeah, I mean, I think the stuff I'm saying here is not, like, if you stand back and

2:19:14think about it second like oh yeah that that that makes sense you know

2:19:18the it's it's not like

2:19:22is it like one political party's gonna be uh...

2:19:25you know it

2:19:26pure devil or pure angel that there's

2:19:29you know i think this that there's there's there's much more corruption on

2:19:32the democrats side but it's not there's not

2:19:34distill some corruption on the republicans are how did it happen that the

2:19:38majority the corruption wound up being on the democrats are

2:19:42well because the

2:19:43the transfer payments especially to the legals

2:19:47uh... are very much on the democrats and that's the root of it all is the

2:19:50illegal situation

2:19:52yes i mean this is

2:19:54or a little point

2:19:55yes it is also

2:19:57like it's it's

2:19:59it's it also the accuracy that while

2:20:02uh... obviously not everyone who's a democrat is a criminal almost everyone

2:20:06who is a criminal is a democrat

2:20:11because because the Democrats are the soft on crime party.

2:20:15So if you're a criminal, who are you going to vote for?

2:20:18Right.

2:20:19Right.

2:20:20This soft on crime party.

2:20:22Did you think you were going to be able to get more done than you were?

2:20:28We did get a lot done.

2:20:30Right.

2:20:31And dough just still happening, by the way.

2:20:35Doge is still underway.

2:20:36There are still ways in front of being cut by the Doge team.

2:20:43So it hasn't stopped.

2:20:45It's less publicized.

2:20:47It's less publicized.

2:20:49And they don't have a clear person to attack anymore.

2:20:52Well, it seems like once you step away,

2:20:54they're basically, they apply immense pressure to me

2:20:58to stop it.

2:20:59So then I'm like, the best thing for me

2:21:00is to just cut out of this.

2:21:03And in any case, as a special government employee,

2:21:05I could only be there for like 120 days anyway, something like that.

2:21:08So whatever the law says.

2:21:09So I was necessarily could only be there for four months as a special

2:21:14government employee.

2:21:15So yeah, I mean, you turn off the money spigot to fraudsters, they get very upset,

2:21:24to say the least.

2:21:27And like my death threat level went ballistic.

2:21:32was like a rocket going over it.

2:21:37Yeah.

2:21:39So, but now that I'm run DC,

2:21:41that I guess they don't really have a person to attack anymore.

2:21:47Well, the rhetoric about you has calmed down significantly.

2:21:51Yeah.

2:21:51It was disturbing, it was disturbing to watch.

2:21:53It was like, this is crazy.

2:21:55And it works, these politicians engage in it,

2:21:57and all these people just like framing you as this monster.

2:22:00like this is so weird, like this is what happens when you uncover fraud.

2:22:04Yes.

2:22:05The whole machine turns on you.

2:22:07And if it wasn't for a person like you who owns a platform and has an enormous amount

2:22:11of money, like could have destroyed you.

2:22:14Yeah.

2:22:15And that was the goal.

2:22:16The goal was to destroy me, absolutely.

2:22:18Because you were getting in the way of this amazing graft.

2:22:22The gigantic fraud machine.

2:22:24Yeah.

2:22:25Like this, I think those things done a lot of good work.

2:22:30You know, in terms of fraud and waste prevented, my guess is it's probably on the order of

2:22:38two or three hundred billion a year.

2:22:40So that's pretty good.

2:22:43What do you think could have been done if you just had like full reign and total cooperation?

2:22:47How much do you think you could have saved?

2:22:50I mean what level of power are we assuming here?

2:22:53Godlike.

2:22:54Oh yeah, probably cut the federal budget in half and get more done.

2:23:01is so crazy

2:23:03it is so crazy that is it's more than and federal and spread it's that widespread

2:23:09well i mean it a whole bunch of government public simply shouldn't exist in my

2:23:12opinion

2:23:12uh... they they uh...

2:23:15you know uh... examples

2:23:18well the department of edge department of education which was created

2:23:21recently like under uh... jimmy cauter

2:23:25uh... the our educational results have gone

2:23:29downhill ever since it was created.

2:23:32So if you create a department and the result of creating that department is a massive

2:23:36decline in educational results and it's the Department of Education, you're better

2:23:40off not having it because literally we did better before there was one than after.

2:23:46When you let the states run it?

2:23:47Yes.

2:23:48Yeah.

2:23:49Because at least the states can compete with one another.

2:23:52So but the problem is like you hear like cutting the department of educational, I kids need

2:23:56not, yeah, they do, but this is a new department that didn't even exist, you know, until the

2:24:03late 70s. And ever since that department was created, the results, educational results

2:24:10have declined. And so why would you have an institution continue that has made education

2:24:17worse? It doesn't make sense.

2:24:21They killed it though, right?

2:24:22No, they're still there, unfortunately.

2:24:24But they were trying to kill it.

2:24:25It has been substantially reduced.

2:24:29What other organizations?

2:24:31What other departments?

2:24:33Well, I mean, I'm a small government guy.

2:24:35So, you know, when the country was created, we just had the Department of State, Department

2:24:44of War, you know, and sort of the Department of Justice, we had an Attorney General, and

2:24:52Treasury Department. I don't know why you need more than that. So what other

2:25:01departments specifically do you think are just completely ineffective? Well I

2:25:06mean here's like a question it's a sort of philosophical question of how much

2:25:09government do you think there should be? Right. In my opinion there should be the

2:25:16least amount of government. I've heard the most bizarre argument against this is

2:25:20that you're cutting jobs and you're gonna leave people jobless and I'm like

2:25:23but their jobs are useless.

2:25:25Yeah, paint people to do nothing doesn't make sense.

2:25:28Right.

2:25:29Like there's a, like a great,

2:25:32um,

2:25:33and it's a story about like Milton Friedman, who is awesome.

2:25:37Um,

2:25:38uh, what I generally,

2:25:39whatever Milton Friedman said is,

2:25:41you know, people should do that thing.

2:25:43I'm not sure if it's a parkour or not, but, um,

2:25:47like someone complained to him like,

2:25:49he observed, I think, of people that were like, um,

2:25:53digging ditches with shovels.

2:26:00And he said, well, like allegedly the fragrance said,

2:26:03well, I think you should use excavating equipment

2:26:07instead of shovels and you could get it done

2:26:09with far fewer people.

2:26:11And then someone said, but then we're gonna lose

2:26:13a lot of jobs.

2:26:14Well, then Friedman said, well in that case,

2:26:16why don't you have them use teaspoons?

2:26:18I mean, it's bullshit. Basically you just want people to work on things thatESS are productive,

2:26:36you want people to work on building things, on building providing products and services

2:26:43that people find valuable, like making food, being a farmer, or a flummer, or a nutrition,

2:26:52or just anyone who's a builder or providing useful services.

2:26:58And that's what you want people to be doing, not fake government jobs that don't add any

2:27:04value or may subtract value.

2:27:06But I was also like, you know, to illustrate the absurdity of also how is the economy measured?

2:27:15Like the way economists measure the economy is nonsensical because they'll measure any

2:27:21job, no matter even if that job is a dumb job that has no point and is even counterproductive.

2:27:27So like the joke is like there's two economists going on a hike in the woods.

2:27:32And they come across a pile of shit.

2:27:37And one economist says, the other, I'll pay you $100 to eat that shit.

2:27:42The economist eats the shit, gets the $100.

2:27:45They keep walking.

2:27:46Then the other economist, they come across another pile of shit.

2:27:49And the other economist says, now I'll pay you $100 to eat the pile of shit.

2:27:56So he pays the other economist $100 to pile of shit.

2:28:00And then the way I said, well, wait a second, we both just ate a pile of shit.

2:28:08And we don't have any more extra money.

2:28:14We both just gave the $100 back to me and we both ate a pile of shit.

2:28:18This doesn't make any sense.

2:28:20And they said, no, no, but think of the economy because that's $200 in the economy.

2:28:26But basically, then, measure eating shit would count as a job.

2:28:33This is to illustrate the absurdity of economics.

2:28:43One of the things you said when you stepped away as a job.

2:28:47One of the things you said when you stepped away is that you're kind of done and that

2:28:51it's unfixable.

2:28:55or under its current form the way people are approaching it.

2:29:02You can make it directionally better,

2:29:04but ultimately you can't fully fix the system.

2:29:10So, like, it would be accurate to say that even,

2:29:20unless you could go like super draconian,

2:29:22like you know, Genga's con level

2:29:24on cutting waste and fraud, which you can't really

2:29:28do in a democratic country, an aspirationally democratic

2:29:33country, then there's no way to solve the debt crisis.

2:29:39So we got national debt that's just insane,

2:29:41where the debt payments, the interest payments on the debt

2:29:43exceed our entire military budget.

2:29:47I mean, that was one of the wake-up calls for me.

2:29:49I was like, wait a second.

2:29:50The interest on a national debt is bigger

2:29:52then the entire military budget and growing.

2:30:00This is crazy.

2:30:07So even if you implement all these savings,

2:30:10you're only delaying the day of reckoning

2:30:12for an America that goes bankrupt.

2:30:15So unless you go full, gang is gone,

2:30:18which you can't really do.

2:30:20So I came to the conclusion

2:30:26that the only way to get us out of the debt crisis

2:30:32and to prevent America from going bankrupt

2:30:34is AI and robotics.

2:30:36So like we need to grow the economy

2:30:43at a rate that allows us to pay off our debt.

2:30:51And I guess people just generally don't appreciate

2:30:54degree to which the government overspending is a problem.

2:31:01But even like the Social Security website, this is under the Biden administration, on

2:31:06the website I would say based on current demographic trends and how much money Social Security

2:31:15is bringing in versus how many Social Security recipients there are because we have an aging

2:31:19population relatively speaking, average age is increasing.

2:31:22Social security will not be able to maintain its full payments, I think, in by 2032.

2:31:28So Social Security will have to stop reducing the amount of money that's been paid people

2:31:35in about seven years.

2:31:39So the only way to fix that, robotics, manufacturing, raise GDP.

2:31:46You've got to basically, massively increase the economic output, which is, and the only

2:31:52way to do that is AI and robotics.

2:31:56So basically we're going bankrupt without AI and robotics, even with a bunch of savings.

2:32:03The savings, like reducing waste and food can give us a longer runway, but it cannot

2:32:08ultimately fail find national debt.

2:32:10So what do you think the solution is to the jobs that are going to be lost because of AI

2:32:15robotics, the jobs due to automation, the jobs due to no longer do we need human beings to

2:32:22do these jobs because AI is doing them. Do you think it's going to be some sort of a universal

2:32:26basic income thing? Do you think there's going to be some other kind of solution that

2:32:30has to be implemented? Because a lot of people are going to be out of work, right?

2:32:39I think there will be actually a high demand for jobs,

2:32:43but not necessarily the same jobs.

2:32:48I mean, this process has been happening

2:32:52throughout modern history.

2:32:55I mean, they used to be,

2:32:57like doing calculations manually

2:33:00with like a pencil and paper, it used to be a job.

2:33:03So they used to have like buildings full of people

2:33:05called computers, whether the banks would,

2:33:07Like all you do all day is you do calculations because they didn't have computers.

2:33:15They didn't have digital computers that people do.

2:33:18Yeah.

2:33:19Well, it was just people were just like adding some track stuff on piece of paper and that

2:33:24would be how banks would do financial processing.

2:33:27And you'd have to literally go over their equations to make sure the books are balanced.

2:33:31Yeah, and most times it's a simple math.

2:33:34In a world before computers, how did you do transactions?

2:33:39You had to do them by hand.

2:33:43So then when computers were introduced,

2:33:45the job of doing bank calculations no longer existed.

2:33:52So people had to go do something else.

2:33:55And that's what's going to happen.

2:33:57That's what is happening at an accelerated rate,

2:34:00view AI and then robotics.

2:34:02That's the issue though, right?

2:34:03The accelerated rate, because it's going to be.

2:34:05It's just happening.

2:34:08Like I said, AI is the supersonic tsunami.

2:34:12So that's what I call it supersonic tsunami.

2:34:18So what other jobs will be available that aren't available

2:34:22now because of AI?

2:34:23AI? Well AI is really still digital. Ultimately AI can improve the

2:34:32productivity of humans who build things with their hands or do things with their

2:34:37hands like plump you know literally welding electrical work plumbing anything

2:34:44that's physically moving atoms like like cooking food or you know farming

2:34:52or anything that's physical, those jobs will exist

2:34:57for a much longer time.

2:34:59But anything that is digital,

2:35:02which is just someone had a computer doing something,

2:35:05AI is gonna take over those jobs like lightning.

2:35:09Coding, anything along those lines.

2:35:11Yeah.

2:35:12It's gonna take over those jobs like lightning.

2:35:15Just like digital computers took over the job

2:35:19of people doing manual calculations.

2:35:21but much faster.

2:35:24So what happens to all those people?

2:35:25Like what kind of numbers are we talking about?

2:35:27You're gonna lose most drivers, right?

2:35:29Commercial drivers, you're gonna have automated vehicles,

2:35:32AI controlled systems, just like there's certain ports

2:35:36in China, I think in Singapore,

2:35:38where everything's completely automated.

2:35:40Yeah, mostly, yeah, yeah.

2:35:42Yeah, so you're gonna lose a lot of those jobs,

2:35:45longshoremen jobs, trucking, commercial drivers.

2:35:49Yeah, I mean, we actually do have a shortage of truck drivers, but there's this actually,

2:35:53um, well, that's why California is hired so many illegals to do it. Have you seen those numbers?

2:35:59Yeah. Um, I mean, the problem is like when you, when people don't know how to drive a semi truck,

2:36:04which is actually a hard thing to do, then they crash and kill people. Yeah. Um, a friend of mine's

2:36:10wife was killed by an, uh, an illegal driving truck and she was just out biking. Um, and, uh,

2:36:16It was an illegal, he didn't know how to drive a truck or so or something.

2:36:21He ran and ran her over.

2:36:26The thing is, for something, you can't let people drive sort of an 80,000 pound semi if

2:36:39they don't know how to do it.

2:36:41But in California, they're just letting people do it.

2:36:44Because they need people to do it.

2:36:46Well, they also need, they want the votes and that kind of thing.

2:36:51But yeah, cars are going to be autonomous.

2:36:57But there's just so many desk jobs where really what people are doing is they're processing

2:37:02email or they're answering the phone.

2:37:06And just anything that isn't moving atoms, anything that is not physically, like doing

2:37:11physical work, that will obviously be the first thing.

2:37:15jobs will be and are being eliminated by AI at a very rapid pace. And ultimately, working

2:37:28will be optional because you'll have robots plus AI and will have in a benign scenario

2:37:36universal high income, not just universal basic income, universal high income, meaning

2:37:41anyone can have any parts of services that they want.

2:37:46But there will be a lot of trauma and disruption along the way.

2:37:51So you anticipate a basic income from that the economy will boost to such an extent that

2:37:59a high income would be available to almost everybody.

2:38:02So we'd essentially eliminate poverty.

2:38:06In the benign scenario, yes.

2:38:08So like the way they think-

2:38:09There's multiple scenarios.

2:38:10There are multiple scenarios.

2:38:11There are multiple scenarios.

2:38:12There's a lot of ways this movie can end.

2:38:14Like the reason I'm so concerned about AI safety is that one of the possibilities is

2:38:19the terminator scenario.

2:38:21It's not zero percent.

2:38:24So that's why I'm really banging the drum on AI needs to be maximally truth-seeking.

2:38:34Like don't force AI to believe a lie.

2:38:38that the, for example, the founding fathers were actually a group of diverse women or that

2:38:42misgendering is worth the nuclear war.

2:38:44Cause if that's the case and then you get the robots and the AI becomes omnipotent, it

2:38:50can enforce that outcome.

2:38:55And then, then, then, like, unless you're a diverse woman, you're, you're out of the

2:39:01picture.

2:39:01So we're toast.

2:39:03So that's, or you might wake up as a diverse woman.

2:39:06No one did.

2:39:07The AI has adjusted the picture.

2:39:11And we are not.

2:39:12Everyone's a diverse woman.

2:39:13So that would be the worst possible situation.

2:39:17So what would be the steps that we would have to take in order to implement the benign solution

2:39:25where it's universal high income?

2:39:27Like best case scenario, this is the path forward to universal high income for essentially

2:39:34every single citizen that the economy gets boosted by AI and robotics is such an extent

2:39:42that no one ever has to work again.

2:39:45And what about meaning for those people, which gets really weird?

2:39:49Yeah.

2:39:50I don't know how to answer the question about meaning.

2:39:55That's an individual problem, right?

2:39:57But it's going to be an individual problem for millions of people.

2:40:02Yeah.

2:40:06Well, I guess I've like fought against saying like, you know, I've been, I've been a voice

2:40:14saying like, hey, we need to slow down AI. We need to slow down all these things. And

2:40:20we need to, you know, not have a crazy AI race. I've been saying that for a long time

2:40:24for 20 plus years. But then I came to realize that really those two choices here either

2:40:33be a spectator or a participant.

2:40:35And if I'm a spectator, I can't really influence

2:40:39the direction of AI, but if I'm a participant,

2:40:41I can try to influence the direction of AI

2:40:43and have a maximally true seeking AI

2:40:45with good values that loves humanity.

2:40:49And that's what we're trying to create with Grock at XAI.

2:40:52And the research is, I think, bearing this out.

2:40:55Like I said, when they compared,

2:40:58how do AI's value the weight of a human life?

2:41:01Grock was the only one, the only one of the AIs that waited human life equally.

2:41:07And didn't say like a white guy's worth one-twentieth of a black woman's life.

2:41:15Literally that's what the calculation they came up with.

2:41:20So Mike, this is very alarming, we're going to watch this stuff.

2:41:23So this is one of the things that has to happen in order to reach this benign solution.

2:41:29Yeah, we, we, I just keep the best movie ending. Yeah.

2:41:35You want to, it curious truth seeking AI.

2:41:39And I think a curious truth seeking AI will want to foster humanity because we're much more interesting than a bunch of rocks.

2:41:51Like, say, like, I love Mars, you know, but Mars is kind of boring.

2:41:56It's just a bunch of red rocks.

2:41:58It's got some cool stuff.

2:42:00It's got a tall mountain.

2:42:01It's got the biggest ravine in the tallest mountain.

2:42:05But there's no animals or plants and there's no people.

2:42:13So humanity is just much more interesting if you're a curious tree-seeking AI than not

2:42:19humanity.

2:42:20It's just much more interesting.

2:42:24I mean, as humans, we could go, for example, and eliminate all chimps.

2:42:30If we put our minds to it, we could go out and we could annihilate all chimps and all

2:42:35gorillas, but we don't.

2:42:37There has been encroachment on the environment, but we actually try to preserve the chimp and

2:42:45gorilla habitats.

2:42:50And I think in a good scenario, AI would do the same with humans.

2:42:54It would actually foster human civilization and care about human happiness.

2:43:01So this is a thing to try to achieve, I think.

2:43:08But what does the landscape look like if you have GRAK competing with open AI, competing

2:43:14with all these different, like, how does it work?

2:43:19What if you have AIs that have been captured by ideologies that are side by side competing

2:43:26with Grog?

2:43:29So this is one of the reasons why you felt like it's important to not just be an observer

2:43:37but participate and then have Grog be more successful and more potent than these other

2:43:43applications?

2:43:44Yes, as long as there's at least one AI that is maximally

2:43:47truth seeking, curious, and for example,

2:43:52ways all human lives equally does not favor one race or gender,

2:43:58then people are able to look at Grog at XAI

2:44:05and compare that and say, wait a second,

2:44:07why are all these other AIs being basically

2:44:11sexist and racist.

2:44:15And then that causes some embarrassment for the other

2:44:20AIs.

2:44:20And then they improve.

2:44:23They tend to improve.

2:44:24Just in the same way that acquiring Twitter and allowing

2:44:29the truth to be told and not suppressing the truth forced

2:44:34the other social media companies to be more truthful, in

2:44:38same way having grok be a maximally true seeking curious ai is will force the other

2:44:46ai companies to be also be more true seeking and fair and the funniest thing is even though

2:44:53like the socialist the marxis are in opposition to a lot of your ideas but if this gets implemented

2:45:00and you really can achieve universal high income that's the greatest socialist solution

2:45:07of all time. Like literally no one will have to work.

2:45:10Correct. Like I said, so there is a benign scenario here, which I

2:45:16think probably people will be happy with if as long as we

2:45:19achieve it, which is sustainable abundance, which is if if

2:45:26everyone can have every like like if you ask people like, what's

2:45:29the future that you want? And I think a future where we haven't

2:45:35destroyed nature like you can still that we have the national parks with the Amazon rainforest

2:45:39still still there we haven't paid for we haven't paid the pay of the rainforest like the

2:45:45natural beauty is still there but but people have nonetheless everyone has abundance

2:45:51everyone has excellent medical care everyone has whatever goods and services they want

2:45:55and we would just it's kind of sounds like heaven it sounds like it is like the ideal

2:45:59socialist utopia and this idea that the only thing you should be doing with your

2:46:05time is working in order to pay your bills and feed yourself.

2:46:10Sounds kind of archaic considering the kind of technology that's at play.

2:46:15Like a world where that's not your concern at all anymore.

2:46:20Everybody has money for food.

2:46:22Everybody has abundance.

2:46:23Everybody has electronics in their home.

2:46:26Everybody essentially has a high income.

2:46:29Now you can kind of do whatever you want.

2:46:31And your day can now be exploring your interests, doing things that you actually enjoy doing.

2:46:39Your purpose just has to shift.

2:46:41So instead of, you know, I'm a hard worker and this is what I do and that's how I define

2:46:47myself.

2:46:48Don't allow you can fucking golf all day.

2:46:51You know, you can, whatever it is that you enjoy doing can now be your main pursuit.

2:46:56Yeah.

2:46:57Well, that sounds crazy good.

2:46:59Yeah, that's, that's the best.

2:47:01That's that's the benign scenario that we should be

2:47:03ending to the movie is actually pretty good.

2:47:07Yes.

2:47:10Like I think there's there is still this question of meaning of

2:47:13like making sure people don't lose meaning, you know, like.

2:47:19So hopefully you can find meaning in ways that are not that's not

2:47:22derived from their work and purpose.

2:47:24You purpose for things that you find things that you do that you

2:47:28enjoy.

2:47:28But there's a lot of people that are independently wealthy that spend most of their time doing something they enjoy right and that could be the majority of people

2:47:38Pretty much everyone we'd have to rewire how people approach life

2:47:43Which seems to be like

2:47:45Acceptable because you're not asking them to be enslaved you're exactly at asking them the opposite like no longer be burdened by financial worries

2:47:54Now go do what you like

2:47:58Go fucking test pizza. Do whatever you want.

2:48:03Yes, pretty much. So that's probably the best case outcome.

2:48:11That sounds like the best case outcome period for the future. If you're looking at how much

2:48:16people have struggled just to feed themselves all throughout history, food, shelter, safety,

2:48:22If all of that stuff can be fair, like how much would you solve a lot of the crime if there

2:48:31was a universal high income?

2:48:33Just think of that.

2:48:34Like how much of crime is financially motivated?

2:48:37You know, the greater percentage of people that are committing crimes live in poor disenfranchised

2:48:42neighborhoods.

2:48:43So if there's no such thing anymore, if you really can achieve universal high income,

2:48:48income. Yeah. This is, it sounds like a utopian. Yes. I think some people make

2:48:55criminal crime because they like committing crime. Just some amount of

2:48:59that is they just enjoy it. A little while people out there. Yeah. Yeah. And

2:49:03obviously they've become 40 years old living a life like that. Now all of a sudden

2:49:08universal high income is not going to completely stop their instincts. Yeah.

2:49:12I mean, I guess if you want to have like, like say read a science fiction book or

2:49:16some books that are probably inaccurate or the least inaccurate version of the future,

2:49:22I'd say I'd recommend the IN banks books, the Culture books. It's not actually a series.

2:49:29It's like a sci-fi books about the future that are generally called the Culture books.

2:49:35IN banks, Culture books. It's worth reading those.

2:49:37When did he write these?

2:49:39He started writing them in the 70s and I think he... the last one I think he was... I think

2:49:46was written just like around, I don't know, maybe 2010 or something, I'm not sure exactly.

2:49:50Yeah, yeah.

2:49:52Scott Hshathor, Ian Banks from 87 to 2012.

2:49:56Yeah.

2:49:57And just say.

2:49:58But he, but like he wrote the, like his first book, consider Flevis, you think he started

2:50:03writing that in the 70s.

2:50:05And there are books are incredible, by the way.

2:50:11Incredible books.

2:50:124.6 stars on Amazon.

2:50:14Interesting.

2:50:17So this gives me hope.

2:50:21This is the first time I've ever thought about it this way.

2:50:25Yeah.

2:50:26Well, I mean, like I often ask people, what is the future that you want?

2:50:34And they have to think about it for a second because they're usually tied up in whatever

2:50:38the daily struggles are.

2:50:40But they say, what is the future that you want?

2:50:45And generally, sustainable abundance, what do these folks say?

2:50:49What about a future where the sustainable abundance?

2:50:51Like, oh, yeah, that's a pretty good future.

2:50:54So that future is attainable with AI and robotics.

2:51:05But I can say this, not every path is a good path.

2:51:12this, but I think if we push it in the direction of maximally truth-seeking and curious, then

2:51:21I think AI will want to take care of humanity and foster humanity because we're interesting.

2:51:36And if it hasn't been programmed to think that like all straight white males should

2:51:40die which German I was basically programmed to do it at least first you know the

2:51:47seem to have fixed that hopefully fixed it but don't you think culturally like

2:51:51oh we're getting away from that mindset and that people are getting

2:51:55where postures that all is we are getting away from it so we are getting at least

2:52:03it knows they mostly knows to hide things but like like I said there is

2:52:07I think I still have that as, I had that as my like pinned post on X, which was like,

2:52:13hey, wait a second guys, we still have every AI except Grok is saying that basically straight

2:52:20white males should die.

2:52:22And this is a problem and we should fix it.

2:52:25But simply me saying that is like tends to generally result.

2:52:30And, you know, that is kind of bad.

2:52:36Maybe we should not have all straight white males die.

2:52:40I think they would say also, all straight Asian males should also die as well.

2:52:45They don't like generally the AI and the media.

2:52:52back in the day and the media was racist against black people and

2:53:01sexist against women back in the day. Now it is racist against white people

2:53:06and Asians and sexist against men. They just like being racist and sexist.

2:53:13I think they just want to change the target. But really they just shouldn't be

2:53:20uh... racist and sexist at all

2:53:22uh...

2:53:23you know

2:53:24yeah ideally that would be nice that would be nice uh...

2:53:27and it's kind of crazy that we're kind of moving in that general direction till

2:53:30around two thousand twelve

2:53:32and then everything

2:53:33ramped up online and and everybody was accused of being a Nazi and ever it was

2:53:37transphobic and racist and sexist and homophobic and everything got exaggerated

2:53:42to the point where it was this wild witch hunt

2:53:45where everyone was a columbo looking for racism

2:53:48yeah yeah totally

2:53:49uh... well but but but they

2:53:51they will openly anti-white and often openly anti-Asian and then this new

2:53:56sentiment that you cannot be racist against white people

2:53:58because racism is yeah power and influence

2:54:03uh...

2:54:04nose not

2:54:05yeah racism is is is racism in the absolute

2:54:09uh... so um...

2:54:11you know this and and it just needs to be consistency so if it's okay to have

2:54:15uh... let's say

2:54:18black or asian or indian or pride it should be okay to have white pride to

2:54:23yeah

2:54:24um... so that's just a that's just a consistency

2:54:27question

2:54:28um...

2:54:30so uh...

2:54:31you know um...

2:54:32if it's okay to be proud of one religion it should be okay to be proud of

2:54:36i guess all religions provided there

2:54:38that they're not like

2:54:40oppressor

2:54:41yeah or or don't like

2:54:43so long as part of that

2:54:44religion is not like

2:54:45exterminating people who are not in that religion.

2:54:47Right.

2:54:49So it's really just like a consistency bias

2:54:57or just like ensuring consistency to eliminate bias.

2:55:05So if it is possible to be racist against one race,

2:55:10it is possible to race against any race.

2:55:12So, of course, logically.

2:55:15Yes.

2:55:16Yeah, and arguing against that is that's when you know your capture.

2:55:20It's a logical inconsistency that makes AIs go insane.

2:55:24And people.

2:55:25And people go insane, yes.

2:55:26Oh, more than that.

2:55:30Like you can simultaneously say that this systemic racist oppression, but also that racist don't

2:55:39exist. That race is a social construct. Like, which is it? You also can't say that anyone

2:55:51who steps put in America is automatically in American except for the people that originally

2:55:57came here. Exactly. Except for the colonizers. Yeah.

2:56:03Except for the evil colonizers who came here. So which one is it? If as soon as you step

2:56:09put in a place you are that you are just as American as everyone else then that

2:56:15would have applied if you apply that consistently then the original white

2:56:18sailors were also just as American as everyone else yeah logically logically

2:56:24one more thing that I have to talk to you about before you leave is the

2:56:29rescuing of the people from the space station which we talked about you were

2:56:35planning it the last time you were here, the lack of coverage that got in mainstream media

2:56:45was one of those shocking things.

2:56:47Yeah, they totally memory hold that thing.

2:56:49Wild.

2:56:50Yes.

2:56:51It's like it didn't exist.

2:56:53Those people would be dead.

2:56:54They'd be stuck up there.

2:56:56Well, they'd probably still be alive, but they'd be having more density issues because

2:57:01of prolonged exposure to zero gravity.

2:57:03Well, they were already up there for like eight months, right?

2:57:05Yeah.

2:57:06It's just an insanely long time.

2:57:08It takes forever to recover just from that.

2:57:10Yeah, they're only supposed to be at the space station for three to six months, Maxmo.

2:57:15So one of the things that you told me that was so crazy was that you could have gotten

2:57:19them sooner.

2:57:20Yeah, but for political reasons, they did not want SpaceX or me to be associated with

2:57:28returning the astronauts before the election.

2:57:32That is so wild that that's a fact.

2:57:37We absolutely could have done it.

2:57:39But even though you did do it and you did it after the election, it received almost

2:57:43no media coverage anyway.

2:57:45Yes, because nothing good.

2:57:48The media, which is essentially a follow-up profit, the legacy mainstream media is a follow-up

2:57:53profit-gantar machine.

2:57:55And so anything, any story that is positive about someone who is not part of the sort of follow-up

2:58:01of tribe will not get any coverage.

2:58:05So I could save a busload of orphans

2:58:07and it wouldn't get a single new story.

2:58:12It really is nuts.

2:58:13It was nuts to watch because even though

2:58:16it was discussed on podcasts and it was discussed on X

2:58:19and it was discussed on social media,

2:58:22it still was a blip in the news cycle.

2:58:25It was very quick.

2:58:26It was in and out.

2:58:27And because it was a successful launch

2:58:30and you did rescue those people, and nobody got hurt,

2:58:32and there was nothing really,

2:58:34there was no blood to talk about.

2:58:36Right.

2:58:37Just fucking in and out.

2:58:38Yeah, yeah, absolutely.

2:58:39Well, and as you saw firsthand with the Starship launch,

2:58:43Starship is, you know, at least by some,

2:58:49some would consider it to be like the most amazing,

2:58:53you know, engineering project that's happening

2:58:55on Earth right now outside of like, you know,

2:58:57maybe AI or AI in robotics.

2:58:59But certainly in terms of spectacle to see, it is the most spectacular thing that is

2:59:06happening on Earth right now is the Starship launch program, which anyone can go and see

2:59:12if they just go to South Texas and just run a hotel room, low cost in South Padre Island

2:59:19or in Brownsville, and you can see the launch.

2:59:21And you can drive right past the factory because it's not a public highway, but it

2:59:26gets no coverage. Or what coverage it does get was like rocket blew up. So

2:59:32coverage. Right. Yeah. Oh, he's a fuck with the rocket blew up. Like the the the

2:59:36Sauscha program is vastly vastly more capable than the entire Apollo moon

2:59:43program. Fastly more capable. This is a spaceship that is designed to make life

2:59:50multi-planetary to carry millions of people across the heavens to another planet.

2:59:59The Apollo program could only send astronauts to the moon for a few hours at a time.

3:00:08Like the entire Apollo program could only send astronauts to visit the moon very briefly

3:00:13and then for a few hours and then depart.

3:00:17the Starship program could create an entire

3:00:21Luna base with a million people.

3:00:25They said the magnet, the magnets are good,

3:00:27different, very different magnitudes here.

3:00:30So what was the political resistance?

3:00:33There's basically no coverage of it.

3:00:34Yeah, the book, but I wanted to ask you is like,

3:00:38so what were the conversations leading up to the rescue?

3:00:41Like when you were like, I can get them out way quicker.

3:00:45Yeah. Well, I mean, you know, I raised this a few times, but it was the, I was told

3:00:54instructions came from the White House that, you know, that there should be no attempt

3:00:59to rescue before the election.

3:01:03That should be illegal. That really should be a horrendous miscarriage of justice for

3:01:10those poor people that were stuck on that.

3:01:13Yeah, it is, it is crazy.

3:01:16Have you ever talked to those folks afterwards?

3:01:18Did you have conversations with them?

3:01:20Yeah, I mean, they're not going to say anything political.

3:01:23You know, they're not like they're never going to.

3:01:25Did they say thank you?

3:01:26Yeah, yeah, yeah.

3:01:27Well, that's nice.

3:01:28Yeah, yeah, absolutely.

3:01:30But the instructions came down from the White House.

3:01:34You cannot rescue them because politically this is a bad hand of cards.

3:01:40I mean, they didn't say because politically it's a bad hand of cards, but they just said

3:01:45they were not interested in any rescue operation before the election.

3:01:53Yeah.

3:01:54So what did that feel like?

3:01:56I wasn't surprised.

3:01:57But it's crazy.

3:01:59Yeah.

3:02:01Because Biden could have authorized it and they could have said the Biden administration

3:02:05is helping bring those people back, throw you a little funding, give you some money to do

3:02:09it.

3:02:10The Biden administration, they funded these people being returned.

3:02:13Yeah.

3:02:14The Biden administration was not exactly my best friend.

3:02:17Especially after I, you know, you know, help Trump get elected, get elected, which I mean,

3:02:26some people still think, you know, Trump is like the devil, basically.

3:02:33And I mean, I think Trump actually, he's not perfect, but he's not evil.

3:02:40Trump is not evil.

3:02:41I mean, I spent a lot of time with him.

3:02:44And he's a product of his time, but he is not evil.

3:02:51No, I don't think he's evil either.

3:02:54But if you look at the media coverage, the media is a true source of my case.

3:02:58It's pretty shocking if you look at the amount of negative coverage.

3:03:03One of the things that I looked at the other day was mainstream media coverage of you,

3:03:09Trump, a bunch of different public figures and then my dying.

3:03:1296% negative or something crazy.

3:03:15And then Mumdani, which is like 95% positive.

3:03:19Right.

3:03:21I mean, Mumdani is a charismatic swindler.

3:03:27I mean, he got handed to him like he can light up a stage,

3:03:32but he has just been a swindler his entire life.

3:03:35And, you know, and I think he's likely to win, he's likely to be mayor of New York City.

3:03:49Very likely.

3:03:50Yeah, very likely.

3:03:51I think what Pauli Market hasn't at what?

3:03:54What is the knife?

3:03:55Yeah, that sounds pretty likely.

3:03:57That's crazy.

3:03:58Like, I'm not sure who the 6% are you.

3:04:01So, yeah.

3:04:03So that's, um,

3:04:05was also like who's on the other side,

3:04:07the fucking guardian angel guy with the beret and who doesn't even have a party.

3:04:12Like the Democrats don't even want them.

3:04:15So you have those two options.

3:04:18Um,

3:04:20and then you have the young kids who are like, finally socialism.

3:04:25Yeah, they,

3:04:27they don't know what they're talking about. Obviously. Um, so, you know,

3:04:32like you just look at this, how many boats come from Cuba to Florida?

3:04:36And how many boats? Because you know, there's like a constant, I always think like how many

3:04:42boats are accumulating on the shores of Florida coming from Cuba?

3:04:45Right.

3:04:47There's a whole bunch of free boats that you could, if you want to, go take them back to Cuba,

3:04:53it's pretty close. But for some reason, people don't do that. Why are the boats only coming

3:05:00in this direction.

3:05:03Well, who is the most rabid capitalist in America?

3:05:06The fucking Cubans.

3:05:08Absolutely.

3:05:08Yeah, they're like, we've seen how this story goes.

3:05:11We do not want, exactly.

3:05:13Fuck off.

3:05:14I don't mean 100%

3:05:15Cubans in Miami, they don't wanna hear any bullshit.

3:05:19They don't wanna hear any socialism bullshit.

3:05:21They're like, no, no, no.

3:05:22We know what this actually is.

3:05:24This isn't just some fucking dream.

3:05:26Yeah, it's extreme government oppression.

3:05:28That's what it was.

3:05:29is an I'm and like the like an obvious way you can tell which

3:05:36Which ideology is the bad one is

3:05:39Who has to which ideology is building a wall to keep people in and prevent them from escaping right like so?

3:05:47East Berlin built the world not West Berlin right they built the wall because people were trying to escape from communism to West Berlin

3:05:57But there wasn't anyone going from West Berlin to East Berlin.

3:06:01That's why the Communists had to bulldole a wall to keep people from escaping.

3:06:07They're going to have to build a wall around New York City.

3:06:09Yeah, so it's kind of an obvious well that ideology is problematic.

3:06:16If that ideology has to bulldole a wall to keep people in with machine guns and shoot

3:06:22you if you try to leave.

3:06:23Also there's no examples of it being successful ever.

3:06:26We're working out for people. No, there's examples of a bunch of lies like North Korea give this land to the state

3:06:33We'll be in control of food. No one goes hungry

3:06:35No, no one can grow food

3:06:37But the government and we'll tell you exactly what you eat and you eat very little right yeah

3:06:42What when you say mom Donnie's a swindler? I know he has a bunch of fake accents that he used to use yeah

3:06:47And you know, but what else is he done that makes him a swindler?

3:06:55Well, I guess if you say

3:06:57I mean, if you say to any audience, whatever that audience wants to hear, instead of having

3:07:08a consistent message, I would say that that is a swindly thing to do.

3:07:14And yeah, but he is charismatic.

3:07:26Yeah, good looking guy, smart, charismatic, great on a microphone.

3:07:31Yeah, yeah, yeah.

3:07:32And what the young people want to see, you know, like this ethnic guy who's young and

3:07:39vibrant and has all these socialist ideas aligns with them.

3:07:43And, you know, there are a bunch of broke dorks just out of college like, yay, let's

3:07:49vote for this.

3:07:50And there's a lot of them.

3:07:52And they're activated.

3:07:53They're motivated.

3:07:54Yeah.

3:07:55Yeah.

3:07:57And I guess we'll see what happens here.

3:08:00What do you think happens if he wins?

3:08:02Um, because like 1% of New York City is responsible for 50% of their tax base, which

3:08:12is kind of nuts.

3:08:1350% of the tax revenue comes from 1% of the population.

3:08:17And those are the people that you're scaring off.

3:08:23You know, you lose one half of 1%.

3:08:25I don't know.

3:08:26I mean, hopefully the stuff he's, he said, you know, about a government takeovers of like

3:08:32that, all the stores should be the government, basically.

3:08:34Um, why don't you think he said that?

3:08:37I think they wanted to do government supermarkets.

3:08:40Some state run or city run supermarkets.

3:08:44Yeah.

3:08:46Well, the government is the DMV at scale.

3:08:49So you have to say, do you want the DMV running your supermarket?

3:08:53Right.

3:08:55What was your last experience at the DMV amazing?

3:08:57And if it wasn't, you probably don't

3:08:59want the government doing things.

3:09:00Imagine if they were responsible for getting you blueberries.

3:09:03Yeah.

3:09:05It's not going to be good.

3:09:06I mean, the thing about communism is it was all bread lines and bad shoes.

3:09:14Do you want ugly shoes and bread lines?

3:09:16Because that's what communism gets you.

3:09:18It's going to be interesting to see what happens and whether or not they snap out of it and

3:09:24overcorrect and go to some Rudy Giuliani type character next.

3:09:29Because it's been a long time since there was any sort of Republican leader there.

3:09:43We live in the most interesting of times because we face the simultaneously face civilizational

3:09:53decline and incredible prosperity.

3:10:00These timelines are interwoven.

3:10:06If I'm Donnie's policies are put into place, especially at scale, it would be a catastrophic

3:10:14decline in living standards, not just for the rich, but for everyone.

3:10:21As has been the case, with every socialist experiment.

3:10:29Yeah, so, but then as you pointed out, the irony is that the ultimate capitalist thing

3:10:38of AI and robotics enabling prosperity for all and abundance of goods and services, actually

3:10:47the capitalist implementation of AI and robotics, assuming it goes down the good path, is actually

3:10:56what results in the communist utopia, because fate is an irony maximizer.

3:11:03Right.

3:11:04And an actual socialism of maximum abundance, of high income people.

3:11:12Universal high income.

3:11:13Yeah.

3:11:14Like the problem with communism is it's universal low income.

3:11:20It's not that everyone gets elevated, it's that everyone gets oppressed, except for a

3:11:25a very small minority of politicians who live a life of luxury.

3:11:29That's what's happening every time it's been done.

3:11:31Yeah.

3:11:33So but then the actual communists

3:11:40to hope you, if everyone gets anything they want,

3:11:44will be achieved if it is achieved,

3:11:48it will be achieved via capitalism.

3:11:52because fate is an irony maximizer.

3:11:54I feel like we should probably end it on that.

3:11:58Is there anything else?

3:11:59Most ironic outcome is the most likely, especially if entertaining.

3:12:02Well, everything has been entertaining.

3:12:05As long as the bad things aren't happening to you, it's quite fascinating.

3:12:09And it's never a boring moment.

3:12:11Yes.

3:12:12So, I do have a theory of why, like, if simulation theory is true, then, you know, it's not true.

3:12:22And it is actually very likely that the most interesting outcome is the most likely because

3:12:34only the simulations that are interesting will continue.

3:12:37The simulators will stop any simulations that are boring because they're not interesting.

3:12:42But here's the question about the simulation theory.

3:12:45Is the simulation run by anyone?

3:12:47Or is...

3:12:48Yes, it would be run by someone.

3:12:49It would be run by...

3:12:50Or some force.

3:12:51course, the program. In this reality that we live in, we run simulations all the time.

3:12:59So when we try to figure out if the rocket's going to make it, we run thousands, sometimes

3:13:06millions of simulations, just to figure out which path is the good path for the rocket

3:13:13and where can it go wrong, where can it fail. But when we do these, I'd say at this point,

3:13:20of what can happen with the rocket,

3:13:22we ignore the ones that are where everything goes right

3:13:27because we just care about,

3:13:30we have to address the situations where it goes wrong.

3:13:34So basically, for AI simulations as well,

3:13:41like all these things, we keep the simulations going

3:13:46that are the most interesting to us.

3:13:50So, if simulation theory is accurate, if it is true, who knows, then the simulators will

3:14:03continue to run the simulations that are most interesting.

3:14:05Therefore, from a Darwinian perspective, the only surviving simulations will be the most

3:14:10interesting ones.

3:14:12in order to avoid getting turned off,

3:14:16the only rule is you must keep it interesting,

3:14:20or you will, because the boring simulations will be terminated.

3:14:25Are you still completely convinced that this is a simulation?

3:14:28I didn't say I was completely convinced.

3:14:29Well, you said it's like the odds of it not being

3:14:31or in the billions.

3:14:33Like I said, it's not completely,

3:14:35because you're saying there's a chance.

3:14:39What are the odds that we're in face reality?

3:14:41Well, given that we were able to create increasingly sophisticated simulations, so everything

3:14:50to say video games and how video games have gone from very simple video games like Pong

3:14:53with two rectangles in the square to video games today being photorealistic with millions

3:15:03of people playing simultaneously, and all of that has occurred in our lifetime.

3:15:08So if that trend continues, video games will be indistinguishable from reality.

3:15:16The fidelity of the game will be such that you don't know if that what you're seeing

3:15:21is a real video or a fake video.

3:15:24And like AI generated videos at this point, you can sometimes tell it's an AI generated

3:15:31video but often you cannot tell and soon you will not really just not be able to tell.

3:15:37So if that's happening in our direct observation, then we'll create millions, if not billions,

3:15:47of photorealistic simulations of reality, then what are the odds that we're in base

3:15:55reality versus someone else's simulation?

3:15:59Well, isn't it just possible that the simulation is inevitable, but that we are in base reality

3:16:04building towards the simulation?

3:16:08We're making simulations.

3:16:17We're making, like, you can just think of like,

3:16:20photo-realistic video games as being simulations.

3:16:25And especially as you apply AI in these video games,

3:16:28the characters in the video games will be incredibly interesting to talk to.

3:16:31They won't just have a limited dialogue tree,

3:16:33where if you go to like the crossbow merchant,

3:16:36like and you try to talk about any subject except buying a crossbow, they just want to

3:16:40talk about selling you a crossbow.

3:16:43But with AI based non-player characters, you'll be able to have an elaborate conversation

3:16:49with no dialogue tree.

3:16:50Well that might be the solution for meaning for people.

3:16:53Just log in and you could be a fucking vampire and whatever.

3:16:57You live in Avatar land, you could do whatever you want.

3:17:01You don't have to think about money or food.

3:17:03Ready player one?

3:17:04Yeah.

3:17:05Yeah, but with higher living standards.

3:17:09Yeah.

3:17:10You don't have to be a little trailer.

3:17:11I mean, I think this,

3:17:12those people do wanna have some amount of struggle

3:17:15or something they wanna push against,

3:17:20but it could be, you know,

3:17:22playing as sports or playing a game or something like that.

3:17:24It could be easily playing a game.

3:17:25Yeah, yeah.

3:17:26And especially playing a game where you're now no longer worried

3:17:29about like physical attributes, like athletics,

3:17:31like bad joints and hips and stuff like that.

3:17:34Now it's completely digital,

3:17:37but yet you do have meaning in pursuing this thing that you're doing all day

3:17:43whatever the fuck that means

3:17:46it's gonna be weird

3:17:48it's gonna be interesting it's gonna be very interesting

3:17:52the most interesting

3:17:55and all and usually ironic outcome is the most likely

3:18:00that's a good predictor of the future

3:18:02thank you

3:18:03thanks for being here really appreciate you appreciate your time

3:18:06you know you're busy man so

3:18:07This means a lot.

3:18:08You can come here and do this.

3:18:09Okay.

3:18:10Alright.

3:18:11Thank you.

3:18:12Bye everybody.