马斯克先生专访

0:00Well, I want welcome to this video. It's Thursday the 13th of April now

0:04I've had an inordinate amount of requests to look at the information contained in this

0:10Interview so let's have a quick look at that now

0:14Because I'm saying that's what I saw a few weeks ago. I can't give you an exact example

0:18Let's move on we have we only have a certain amount of time

0:22well, COVID misinformation

0:25You change the COVID misinformation has well

0:29BBC changes COVID-19 information?

0:31The BBC does not set the rules on Twitter,

0:34so I'm asking you...

0:34No, I'm talking about the BBC's misinformation about COVID.

0:41I'm just asking you about...

0:42You change the labels, the COVID-19 information labels.

0:45There used to be a policy, then it disappeared.

0:50Why do that?

0:54A COVID is no longer an issue.

0:59Does the BBC hold itself at all responsible

1:04for misinformation regarding masking and side effects of vaccinations and not reporting

1:12on that at all. And what about the fact that the BBC was put into pressure by the British

1:17government to change the editorial policy? Are you aware of that?

1:21This is not an interview about the BBC. Oh, you thought it wasn't.

1:27And I see now why you've done Twitter spaces. I'm not a representative of the BBC's editorial

1:31policy I want to make that clear. Let's talk about something else. We want to talk about the

1:34EU too. All right, let's talk about something else. You weren't expecting that.

1:38Let's talk about something else. Has the BBC changed its Covid misinformation?

1:44I'm talking about the BBC's misinformation about Covid. Questions there from Elon Musk.

1:52Now, let's look at some of the commentary that was been going on about this. This is from one of the

1:57leading most respectable papers in the United Kingdom,

2:01arguably the most authoritative paper in the United Kingdom.

2:06Elon Musk accuses BBC of covering up vaccine side effects.

2:10What is that? Putting it a bit strongly? I don't know.

2:12I mean, you've seen the clip, you judge for yourself.

2:16Was he actually accusing the BBC of covering up vaccine side effects?

2:21Full interviews there, check it out. Surprisingly, surprisingly it seems to be still available.

2:31The BBC are still making this interview available. Mr Musk again, does the BBC hold itself at

2:37all responsible for misinformation regarding masking and side effects of vaccinations?

2:45not reporting on that at all. That's what Mr Musker said. Now, I must say watching the

2:54larger part of this interview, I'm very, very impressed about how well Mr Musker is informed

2:59about a whole range of issues. Really quite impressive and I think we can assume he's fairly

3:06well informed. I don't really know who that reporter was from the BBC, but I expect his

3:11bosses had a word with him for being perhaps not as prepared as he could be, more and more

3:15on that interview later on. And what about the fact again direct quotes that the BBC

3:22was put under pressure by the British government? Now Mr Musk seems to have information that

3:29the BBC was put under pressure by the British government, if so that is rather ominous and

3:37would totally undermine in my view British democracy. So let's let's hope

3:41that's not true. What were the BBC put under pressure to do according to Mr

3:46Musk to change the editorial policy? Are you aware of that? Now obviously the BBC

3:55being presumably lily white and squeaky clean on this would come back and say

4:01no this is complete rubbish but as far as the Telegraph article was concerned

4:05and the BBC declined to comment on Mr Musk's claims.

4:12Why?

4:13Why wouldn't the comment on Mr Musk's claims?

4:16Why on earth not?

4:18Mr Musk previously spoken about having major side effects after the second COVID vaccination.

4:26I became aware of my assumed adverse reaction to the vaccine after my third dose.

4:34a musk was aware of his after his second dose. And he says this left him feeling as if he was

4:42dying for several days. So I really hope he's made a full recovery. If what I consider to be my

4:50vaccine injury, I haven't made a full recovery. I need to take blood pressure medications now,

4:56and that just started a few months after my third dose. Temporal correlation, of course,

5:01of course, temporal correlation. Many other people seem to have the same temporal correlation

5:07strangely enough. More on that on another video when we look at that in here, I'm collecting

5:11evidence on that now. So Mr Musker had unfortunate effects there. The BBC's Liberal Bubblers

5:18finally burst, this opinion piece of course. And we can't, yeah, it's an opinion piece

5:25by Telegraph writer. Huge thanks to Mr Mus for exposing the corporations group think

5:30with such forensic dancing wit. That's just one view. Now BBC have come back of course

5:41with a what you might call a counter piece. Six things we've learned from Elon Musk

5:50interview they are talking about. Now I'm not going to go through these things

5:55because it felt to me like the, what do I know, I only read it. But it looked to me like the BBC

6:02was trying to rather go at Mr. Must To Justify itself. Might be completely wrong, of course.

6:07It did seem to be rather critical to me, but there again, I'm just maybe a bit of a suspicious person.

6:15But six things we learned from the interview is what it's called. Now, this is what Mr. Musk said.

6:19In March, Twitter said it removed 400,000 accounts in one month alone to help make Twitter safer.

6:25Now we believe these are bot accounts because Elon Musk of course is very technically savvy

6:31and you would probably be able to give the instructions to remove these automatic bot accounts

6:37and he says this, in my experience there is less misinformation rather than more on twitter at the

6:42moment and as I say if you want to see more from the BBC's perspective on that it's in that

6:48article, we always give full links on this channel. Let's listen to a bit more of that

6:55interview now just that you might find it interesting. But nonetheless, free speech is

7:04meaningless unless you're a lot of people you don't like to say things you don't like,

7:11otherwise it's irrelevant. And if at the point of which you lose free speech, it doesn't

7:16come back. I think the issue some people have is that a lot of people were brought

7:21back. I mean some people who brought back who were previously banned for spreading

7:25things like queuing on conspiracies. You have people like Andrew Tate who were

7:28brought back who were previously banned for things like hate speech. Do you think

7:33you prioritize freedom of speech over misinformation and hate speech? Well you

7:43You know, who is to say that something is misinformation?

7:48Who is the arbiter of that?

7:51Is it the BBC?

7:52Yeah, you're literally asking me.

7:55Yes.

7:56Well, no, you're the arbiter.

7:57Who is the arbiter?

7:58You are the arbiter on Twitter because you own Twitter.

8:00Yes, I'm saying who is to say that one person's misinformation is another person's information.

8:06The point of which you say that this is most information, like who is going to this sign?

8:11This information can be dangerous, that it can cause real world harms, that it can potentially cause them.

8:16Yes, so the point I'm trying to make is that the BBC itself has at times published things that are false.

8:21Do you agree that that has occurred?

8:25I'm quite sure the BBC have said things that turn out to not be true.

8:31It's whatever it is, 100 year history, I'm quite sure.

8:34Yes.

8:35Even if you aspire to the accurate, your times won't rule, you will not be.

8:40I think in the grants that you think the VC does aspire to be accurate.

8:44You accept there has to be a line in terms of hate speech.

8:47I mean, you're not looking at total 100% unrestricted speech.

8:51I mean, I generally am of the opinion that if the people of a given country are against

9:01a certain type of speech, they should talk to their elected representatives and pass a

9:05law to prevent it.

9:07So for example, you cannot advocate murdering someone.

9:11That's illegal in the United States, everywhere really, I suspect.

9:20So there are limits to speech.

9:22I mean, I guess taking your argument to a logical conclusion then, do you accept that

9:26there's more misinformation on the platform if it's not being policed in the same way?

9:31I actually think there's less these days because we've eliminated so many of the bots which

9:37pushing scams and spam. And previously previous management turned a blind eye to the bots because

9:43their bonuses were tied to user growth. And if your compensation is tied to user growth,

9:51well, you're not going to look too closely at some of the users. That's part of the problem.

9:55So I think we've got less misinformation because we don't have the bot problem that we used to do.

10:01And we also have given a lot of attention

10:05to community notes, which corrects with community itself,

10:09correct misinformation.

10:11It's been very effective.

10:15I mean, I would only just add that we

10:17have spoken to people who have been sacked that used to be

10:20in content moderation.

10:21And we've spoken to people very recently

10:23who were involved in moderation.

10:25And they just say there's not enough people

10:27to police this stuff, particularly around hate speech.

10:31in the company.

10:32Is that something you would trust?

10:33What is your future?

10:34I mean, you use Twitter.

10:36Right.

10:36Do you see a rise in hate speech?

10:38I mean, just a personal anecdote.

10:40Like, what do you do?

10:40I don't.

10:41Personally, my four year, I would see

10:45I get more of that kind of content.

10:47Yeah, personally.

10:48But I'm not going to talk to the rest of Twitter.

10:51You see more hate speech personally.

10:53I would say I would see more hateful content in that.

10:56Content you don't like or hate for.

10:59What do you mean to describe a hateful thing?

11:01Yeah, I mean, you know, this content

11:03that will solicit a reaction to something

11:06that may include something that is slightly racist

11:09or slightly sexist, those kinds of things.

11:12So you think if something is slightly sexist,

11:14it should be banned?

11:15No, I'm not saying anything.

11:18I'm saying.

11:18Well, I'm just curious.

11:19I'm trying to say what you mean by hateful content.

11:22And I'm asking for specific examples.

11:25And you just said that if something is slightly sexist,

11:30that's hateful content.

11:31Does that mean that it should be bad?

11:32Well, you've asked me whether my feed,

11:36whether it's got less or more.

11:37I'd say it's got slightly more.

11:39That's what I'm asking for examples.

11:41Can you name one example?

11:42I honestly don't you.

11:43I honestly don't.

11:44You can't name a single example.

11:45I'll tell you why, because I don't actually use that

11:47for you feed anymore, because I just don't particularly

11:49like it.

11:50A lot of people are quite similar.

11:52I only have one second.

11:53second you said you've seen more hateful content you can't name a single

11:57example not even one

11:59i'm not sure i've used that for the last

12:01three or four weeks and i i don't know how did you see the people content

12:04content

12:04because i've been using a lot of using twice a since you've taken over for the

12:07last six months is that you must have at some point seen that you for your

12:10hateful content i'm asking for one example right i know i can't give a single one

12:14and i'm saying

12:15i thought that i'd say so that you don't know what you're talking about

12:18really

12:19yes because you can't be a single example

12:21of hateful content or even one tweet

12:24and yet you claimed that the people content was high

12:27that's a false

12:28no what i can't be applied what no no what i can was

12:32uh... there are many uh... organizations that say that that kind of

12:35information

12:36is on the rise now

12:37whether the weather has a lot of people have lots

12:40i mean i'd write a little bit like this to the uh... strategic dialogue

12:44uh... institute in the u in the uk

12:46they will say that

12:47So, look, people will say all sorts of nonsense.

12:50I'm literally asking for a single example and you can't name one.

12:52Right. And as I've already said, I don't use that feed.

12:55But how would you know that?

12:56I don't think this is getting anywhere.

12:57You literally said you experienced more hateful content and then couldn't name a single example.

13:02Right. And as I said, I have absurd.

13:03I haven't, I haven't actually looked at that feed.

13:06Then how would you know if there's a single content?

13:07Because I'm saying that's what I saw a few weeks ago.

13:10I can't give you an exact example.

13:12Let's move on.

13:13We have, we only have a certain amount of time.

13:15Well, COVID misinformation.

13:19You changed the COVID misinformation rule.

13:21BBC changes COVID misinformation?

13:24The BBC does not set the rules on Twitter,

13:27so I'm asking you.

13:27No, I'm talking about the BBC's

13:29misinformation about COVID.

13:34I'm just asking you about,

13:35you changed the labels, the COVID misinformation labels.

13:38There used to be a policy,

13:40and then it disappeared.

13:43Why do that?

13:47COVID is no longer an issue.

13:52Does the BBC hold itself at all responsible

13:57for misinformation regarding masking

14:00and side effects of vaccinations?

14:04And not reporting on that at all?

14:07And what about the fact that the BBC was put into pressure

14:09by the British government to change the editorial policy?

14:12Are you aware of that?

14:14This is not an institute about the BBC.

14:17you thought it wasn't. And I see now why you've done Twitter spaces. I am not a representative

14:23of the BBC's editorial policy. I want to make that clear. Let's talk about something else.

14:26I've heard from you too. All right, let's talk about something else. Sorry about the

14:31duplication of part of that content that I found myself rather enthralled with the

14:37discussion, as I'm sure you did. The reason I put that bit in is there's been so much

14:42problem with misinformation and disinformation. And do try and catch that video I've just released

14:48yesterday. Or in fact, was it today? With Dr. Seneal Dan, where we've both had pressure from

14:53outside agencies and indeed, well, personally, I've had quite extreme threats.

15:02So this is a problem. This is a problem.

15:05But all I can say is I try and give the information as accurately as I can based on

15:13the evidence that I see and don't always get it completely right.

15:18Same as Dr. Dand, he's open to counter-arguments as well as I am.

15:24But it is a problem and let's hope there's been no national collusion in the United

15:31Kingdom or the United States or anywhere really. We'll leave that there as a point of reflection.

15:44Thank you for watching.