马斯克谈种族主义、为特朗普解围、仇恨言论等 - 唐·莱蒙秀（完整专访）

1:12You’re welcome.

1:17Yeah, it’s about three times the size of the Pentagon. We built it in 16 months. It’s the fastest construction project in the United States since World War II.

1:32Yeah. Free speech, as much as possible within the bounds of the law.

1:56No, so SpaceX has a massive facility in South Texas where we build and launch Starship, and then we have in Bastrop, near Austin, we are about to start production at a large Starlink factory for Starlink terminals, but we’re not shutting down any facilities in California.

2:40Well, I think I see X as, it’s really the number one source of news in the world. So it is the number one way that people actually are informed about any kind of news, meaning real time events is on the X platform, formally Twitter, there’s nothing even close for real time news. So we also want to expand upon that and we have done so with the long form content. So instead of just doing what you used to call tweets, you can do long form posts. You can post an entire essay. In fact, you can now put an entire book, post an entire book to the platform. You can do long form video content, so you can do up to four hour video segments. We really want news in whatever form it is, or information I should say, in whatever form it is to be available on our platform, whether it’s short, long, text, pictures, video, whatever the case may be.

3:45Yeah.

3:59I just mean that we want to make sure that there are a wide variety of viewpoints that… We obviously have, for example, Tucker Carlson, who most people will view as being on the Right, and that’s quite a prominent name on the Right. We want to have prominent names on the Left as well, to provide different views of points of view, as well as centrist. Just basically a wide range of viewpoints on the platform so users can hear different opinions. They can hear what’s your point of view, what’s Tucker’s point of view, and people can make their own decision about what they believe.

4:41I thought you were on the Left, but I know, I’m used… Let’s just say, I don’t know what the Left is or the Right is, frankly these days because things can be quite polarized. But my impression was that you’re more likely to be described as on the Left than the Right. My sense is you’re sort of center Left. I don’t know, you tell me.

5:09I saw segment. CNN is generally considered Left, yeah.

5:17Why do I say CNN is generally considered Left? I think if you look at any sort of media survey of what is on the Left or Right, I think they would say, for example, Fox is on the Right and CNN is on the Left.

5:34Am I missing something here?

5:58Sure. Well, how would you describe yourself?

6:14Well, I agree with that approach. I think that’s generally how people should take things, which is, there are a whole set of issues which are somewhat arbitrarily bucketed into Right or Left, but I think most citizens would think that they would agree with some things on the Left, but not everything, or they would agree with some things on the Right, but not everything. So that’s what I think most people would feel, I guess.

6:55It’s definitely always going to be X.

7:08I think it’s going pretty well so far. We’re seeing record usage. We’ve added a tremendous amount of functionality. I mentioned that it used to be that you can only do a short text and maybe a picture or something like that, a short video, but now you can do long form text, long form video. We’ve added audio video calling, so you can not just do text, DMs, you can do [inaudible 00:07:31] video calling. We’ve improved the algorithm, I think significantly and made the system faster and better and that’s reflected in the increased usage.

8:14Well, I mean there are nonsense articles written all the time, and I certainly wouldn’t agree with that one. I’d put it in the nonsense category. So the objective fact of the matter, in my opinion, was that, old Twitter was fundamentally a tool of the far Left, and that was really, I think a lot of it was due to being located in San Francisco, Berkeley, and so it wanted to essentially project the SF, Berkeley political dogma worldwide.

8:45Yes, I do.

9:02Sure. It’s the internet, people will do… I mean, I’ve been called every name times a thousand.

9:14I certainly don’t think it’s Right. The old school Twitter suspended and suppressed accounts that you’d call on the Right, 10 times more than they did on accounts on the Left. And even when they did suspend an account on the Left, it was because of arguments between two people on the Left. The political donations of old Twitter were 99% Democrat. Does that sound Left wing or Right wing to you?

9:40Yes. You know when they look at donations from a company, if a company donates… Literally 99% of all donations are to Democrats, does that strike you as a Left-leaning or a Right-leaning company?

9:52What I’m trying to tell you is that Twitter employees, people at Twitter, their political donations were 99%, literally 99% to Democrats. That’s obviously an extremely Left-leaning group.

10:16I was at a dinner, it was not dinner, I was at a breakfast at a friend’s place and Donald Trump came by. That’s it.

10:26No, I went to a friend of mine’s house and he said, “Donald Trump’s coming by for breakfast, is that… Just so you know.” “Okay, fine.”

10:41Let’s just say, he did most of the talking.

10:47The normal things he says, there was nothing particularly groundbreaking or new, but President Trump likes to talk and so he talked. I don’t recall him saying anything that he hasn’t said publicly, and that was it. It was just a breakfast.

11:09He didn’t.

11:11No.

11:12No.

11:14That’s correct.

11:18I think… Well, I’ll voice my opinion, I think, I don’t want to put a thumb on the scale monetarily that is significant.

11:40No.

11:43I’m not paying his legal bills in any way, shape or form.

11:47Money and he did not ask me for money.

11:52I may in the final stretch endorse a candidate, but I don’t know yet. I want to make a considered decision before the election. And if I do decide to endorse a candidate, then I will explain exactly why.

12:08No.

12:11[inaudible 00:12:11] I’m leaning away from Biden.

12:15I’ve made no secret of that.

12:24No.

12:36I mean, a lot could happen between now and the election, so we’ll see who in the final analysis are the choices for president, and at that point I may or may not endorse one of the candidates. If I do, I will provide a very detailed explanation of why I’m endorsing one or the other.

13:02I think it’s unlikely.

13:24The stocks go up and down, but what really matters is, are we making and delivering great products? The Tesla products are outstanding. Last year the Tesla Model Y was the bestselling car of any kind in the world. So it was about 1.2 million units. It was the bestselling car despite being, I think around 50% more expensive than the next bestselling vehicle, of any kind, not just electric. So I think that’s a testament to the incredible work of the Tesla team. And we launched the Cybertruck. Obviously that’s being very well received. We have I think over a million orders for the Cybertruck. So it’s a really special product. I think the Cybertruck is one of those products that comes along really once in several years, maybe once a decade. The Cybertruck is a once a decade product. It is so special and I think it’s our best product.

14:42Yeah, yeah. So you did mention the Roadsters, so I don’t want to give away much more than what I’ve said publicly, except that the Roadster will be a collaboration between SpaceX and Tesla, so you can expect some rockety stuff there.

15:02Maybe. It’s not out of the question.

15:11No, I got to reserve the cool stuff for when we actually unveil it, but it is going to be really cool. It’s going to have some rocket technology in it. I think the only way to do something that’s cooler than the Cybertruck is to combine SpaceX and Tesla technology to create something that’s not even really a car.

15:38Something that’s never existed before.

15:42Totally Jetsons’ vibes. And [inaudible 00:15:46] may not be aware, some things that I have said publicly is that it’ll do zero to 60 in under one second. So best by far faster than any sports car that exists, and that’s not even the most exciting thing about it.

16:05No, it does not have big wings because big wings would be unwieldy on the road.

16:10It does not have propellers.

16:14It does have wheels.

16:17This is Roadster 20 Questions.

16:22Not exactly.

16:25It will have a drive by wire yolk, essentially kind of like the way aircraft or modern jets are controlled.

16:41I don’t think anyone will ever make anything like the Roadster that we’re going to make.

16:54Well, I relax… I spend time with my kids, my friends, and

17:00I am somewhat of a neurotechnologist, so I like to play video games. I’ll play video games with friends online.

17:12Lately I’ve been playing Diablo, but I’ve played almost all the games over the years. A long time ago I was semi-pro good at Quake. This is really dating me, because we’re talking about 25 years ago.

17:43Yeah. The nice thing is, if you’ve got friends in different cities and they’re playing the same game, you can both go online at the same time and play the game together even though you’re in different cities.

18:10I guess I do enjoy using the platform. I do call the X platform the PVP or player-versus-player platform. In video games there’s a player versus environment, where you’re not playing against other people, and then there’s PVP, which is hardcore, you’re actually playing against other people.

18:38Yeah.

18:38It is to some degree. Not always. Obviously, I use it to post jokes, to post sometimes trivia, sometimes things that are of great importance.

19:00Almost always, yes.

19:03No, I don’t drink. I don’t really… No.

19:12I had one puff.

19:13I think anyone who smokes pot can tell I don’t know how to smoke pot.

19:19Yeah, yeah, yeah.

19:21It’s pretty private to ask somebody about a medical prescription, but I think… Something I’d say, there are times when I have sort of a negative chemical state in my brain. Like depression, I guess. Or depression that’s not linked to any negative news and then ketamine is helpful for getting one out of a negative frame of mind.

19:56In fact, I generally… Obviously, I’m not a doctor, but I would say, if someone has depression issues, they should consider talking to their doctor about ketamine instead of SSRIs.

20:12Yeah.

20:16Yeah, yeah. Literally a prescription from a real doctor. Not like… You know?

20:23I don’t think so. If you use too much ketamine you can’t really get work done and I have a lot of work. I’m typically putting in 16 hour days. That’s normal for me and it’s rare for me to even take off a weekend day. I don’t really have a situation where I can be not mentally acute for an extended period of time. I can’t really get wasted because I can’t get my work done.

20:54It’d be like a small amount once every other week or something like that.

21:05There are several weeks will go by where I don’t use it.

21:09Yeah. Like I said, I think what I find ketamine… If you… Literally, a chemical state in your brain that you can’t just think yourself out of, then ketamine is helpful for getting you out of a depressive mind state.

21:31I wouldn’t say that I have a case of extended depression. It’s just, once in a while, I get into a negative chemical mind state. Once in a while. It’s not a common thing, but once in a while, this happens.

21:48I think it’s just genetic, basically.

21:53I think so. Yeah. Some people are just wired to be happy all the time. Some are, unfortunately, wired to be sad all the time and, in my case, I’m generally pretty positive and optimistic, but once in a while, I don’t know what happens, just some… Like I said, I think it’s just a chemical tides in your brain once in a while. It’s like a brain storm.

22:34From a standpoint of Wall Street, what matters is execution. Are you building value for investors? Tesla is worth about as much as the rest of the car industry combined. From nothing. That’s pretty good. As I mentioned, we had the bestselling car on earth last year. From an investor standpoint, if there is something I’m taking, I should keep taking it.

23:07I should say, the reason I mentioned the ketamine prescription on the X platform was because I thought maybe this is something that could help other people. That’s why I mentioned it.

23:41Right. You’re conflating two things. One is great replacement theory. The other is, which I don’t subscribe to that, I’m simply saying that there is an incentive here, if legal immigrants wish, I think have a very strong bias to, at least everything I’ve read, very strong bias to vote Democrat. The more that come into the country, the more they’re likely to vote in that direction. It is, in my view, a simple incentive to increase voters to Democrat voters. Yeah. Your question is how. There’s a few ways that this works. One is that, when the census is done, the census is based on all people in an area, whether they are citizens or not. If there are a concentration of people who came here legally, in a particular state, that state will actually then get an increased number of House seats. The House seat apportionment is proportionate to number of people, not the number of citizens. The illegals overwhelmingly go to places like California and New York, and if you just look at the math, if you look at the apportionment with and without illegals, I believe California would lose… I believe there will be a net loss of blue states of approximately 20 seats in the House. This also applies to the electoral college. You say this also applies to electing the president because the electoral votes are also done by apportionment the same way that House seats are done.

26:04I think that statement is… What you said is true, but what I said is also true, which is that, as is the case, a disproportionate number of illegal immigrants go to blue states, they amplify the effect of a blue state vote. And the math, as I understand it, you can research this obviously very easily on there, it’s pretty straightforward to research this, but my understanding is that the Democrats would lose approximately 20 seats in the House if illegals were not counted in census and that’s also 20 less electoral votes for President. Illegals absolutely do affect who controls the House and who controls the presidency does not affect the Senate.

27:09I didn’t call it a… I just said that there’s a simple matter of incentives. You don’t need a conspiracy when you have basic incentives. In my view, there’s a basic incentive. There’s fundamental… For the Democrat party to foster an usher in a large number of legals and you don’t need a conspiracy in that case because you have a very basic incentive. You could say I’m wrong about that incentive, but that’s my view. I’m not buying into some great replacement theory. I’m simply saying there appears to be a very clear incentive for Democrats to have to maximize the number of illegals because it helps them win elections.

28:04Yeah.

28:10I said I learned my lesson?

28:18No, I was already aware of these things and the nature of my comment that really inflamed people, what I was trying to say, and I did very quickly clarify this, this is what I’m saying, is that a number of prominent Jewish philanthropists fund groups that they should really take a closer look at funding because some of the groups they fund, I think, are antisemitic.

28:59My view is a simple matter of incentives. I actually don’t see an incentive for Jewish people to want to have… To get illegal immigration. I don’t think there is such an incentive.

29:41I didn’t say an Hispanic invasion.

29:49If I quote something, it doesn’t mean I agree with everything in it. It’s just something that I think this is something people should consider.

29:59Because anything I quote is going to have a whole range of statements. It doesn’t mean I agree with everything in it.

30:20I don’t have to answer these questions.

30:24I don’t have to answer questions from the reporters, Don, the only reason I’m doing this interview is because you’re on the X platform and you asked for it. Otherwise, I would not do this interview.

30:38I get criticized constantly. I could care less.

30:42No, I don’t care.

30:44I don’t think people should care what the media thinks about them. They’re terrible judges of character.

31:05You’re conflating the truth with the media and I think the media is not truthful.

31:13I care about the truth very much. That’s why we have, for example, community notes on the X system, where, in order for a community note to surface and provide corrective information about what somebody posts… And my posts are equally subject to this, I’ve been community noted many times. In order for a community note to surface, people who have historically disagreed must agree in order for a community note to surface. And all of the code for community notes is open source, all of the data is open source, so you can completely recreate it from scratch. The way to build trust is transparency.

32:08I think we have a responsibility to adhere to the law and we have a responsibility to be transparent about when things are shown, why they’re shown. That’s why we open source our algorithm. I think once you start going beyond the law, now you’re putting a thumb on the scale and we don’t want to put our thumb on the scale.

32:34I believe that is false. In fact, the research that I’ve seen, it says it went down.

32:57What they will typically do is they’ll count the number of posts but not count the number of views. What matters is, was that post given high visibility or did one person see it? And if you look at the number of views, how many times was hate content viewed on our platform, it is down substantially.

33:21Don, you can get a study that we will tell you whatever you want.

33:44We delete things if they are illegal.

33:48Are they illegal?

34:04So Don, you love censorship is what you’re saying?

34:08Then why are you asking censor-

34:12Moderation is a propaganda word for censorship.

34:19Look, if something’s illegal, we’re going to take it down. If it’s not illegal, then we’re putting our thumb on the scale and we’re bringing censors.

34:36It’s illegal.

34:40No, I literally said if something is legal, we will obviously remove it. But if it’s not legal, the laws in this country are put forward by the citizens where democracy, if those laws put in place by the people, we adhere to those laws.

35:01If you go beyond the law, you are actually going beyond the will of the people.

35:22Articles all the time that lead to violence and killing, don’t they? Shouldn’t they? Like you’re applying a differential standard to-

35:47I wouldn’t either.

35:51You said promote. If content is on the platform, that doesn’t mean we promote it.

36:00No, but you can think of that’s because the mainstream media has, whatever, 20 articles a day. We have 500 million posts today.

36:13I obviously disagree with that and I think it’s not good at all. It’s terrible.

36:23What you’re suggesting is censorship that goes beyond the law and what I’m saying is that we… I guess have a disagreement because I do not believe in censorship that goes beyond law. And you do. We have a difference of opinion in that regard.

36:55Which part of our content policy says that we should delete these things?

37:02Yes. We don’t promote hate speech.

37:07I guess you’re not understanding what I’m saying. You can sign up right now and do a hundred things that are hateful, but if nobody reads it, it doesn’t matter. So you can think of X as being… It’s much like the internet. It’s not some tiny publication with 20 articles a day. It’s 500 million.

37:39The opportunity to read the internet. Are you suggesting we should shut down the internet?

37:52Yes. You want censorship and I don’t.

37:55Yes, you do.

37:58You desperately want censorship.

38:01You want censorship so bad you can taste it.

38:07And want censorship.

38:28I think we have a responsibility to adhere to the law and if people want the law changed, they should talk to their elected representative and get the law changed and then we’ll adhere to the law. But if you want us to go beyond the law, that is us deciding to be censors and I’m against censorship. I’m in favor of freedom of speech and freedom of speech only is relevant when people you don’t like say things you don’t like. Otherwise it has no meaning.

39:13Great.

39:35What I was referring to there was that if we lower the standards for doctors so that… If the test for a doctor is lowered, then the probability of them making a mistake and killing someone is obviously going to be higher.

39:56Yes. If the standards for passing medical exams and becoming a doctor or especially something like a surgeon, if the standards are lowered, then probability that the surgeon will make mistake is higher. They’re making mistakes in their exam. They may make mistakes with people and that may result in people dying.

40:21I believe there is.

40:27I believe they have literally lowered the standards at Duke University and that is what the article was referring

40:33You say they have not lowered the standards?

40:39I believe that is a false statement you’re making.

40:42I think the interesting thing is when this is posted on the X platform, there’ll be a whole bunch of things that rebut what you said and what I said. So people can then make their own decision based on the replies and the rebuttals and the community notes.

41:40Yeah. Well, I think you’ll find that when this is posted to the X platform that people will reply to it with evidence. Maybe I’m wrong. Let’s see.

42:14If I say something that is inaccurate, I’m immediately corrected on the platform. That’s the advantage of a real time system like X. So there will be immediately in the replies, people correcting me, there’ll be community note that will correct me, which is attached to the actual post itself.

42:29Yes.

42:32Yes, in fact, and if there’s a community note that happens later that where somebody didn’t see but they’re replied to that or interacted with that post, we will notify them that there is now a community note correcting that post. Whereas if you consider the conventional media, that doesn’t happen. Conventional media makes false statements all the time and nobody ever hears the correction.

43:07I don’t think that’s a universal situation.

43:19I believe that if we lower the standards for what it takes to become a doctor.

43:30I don’t think that is yet an issue, but it could become an issue.

44:04No, I said… So if the standards, like let’s say, I think that particular thing was referring to surgeons. Let’s say a surgeon in training is asked to do a series of operations out of the supervision of a senior surgeon and they get a bunch of those operations wrong. If that happens, and yet they are still approved to be a surgeon, the probability that someone will die I think at some point is high.

44:36I didn’t say it’s happening.

44:40I said it will. I said if we lower standards, people will die.

44:55I don’t want it to happen. I think we don’t want to lower standards.

45:24No, I’m very basically saying that if we lower standards for what it takes to become a board certified surgeon or an oncologist or something where the kind of disease we’re talking about, if you make a mistake causes someone to die, then more people will die than if we don’t lower the standards. Therefore, we should not lower the standards.

45:53That’s what that article suggested? Yes, at Duke University.

46:37No. I’m just saying that we should not lower the standards for them.

46:48You’ve repeatedly said that there’s no evidence that standards are being lowered and watch the replies showing all the evidence that it is.

47:00They will cite the replies. In the replies to this, you’ll see how often the information cited showing that indeed there are significant cases where standards are lowered.

47:47No, it’s not lowering standards for pilots. The incentive structure I believe at Boeing changed to include DEI as a fundamental executive incentive, but in my view, it should be purely about passenger safety.

48:24Look, I’m saying we should not lower standards, that’s it.

48:33Right.

48:42No, I’m not saying that. I’m simply saying that they are-

48:45I don’t know. Why are they lowering the standards?

48:59I’m not saying there’s a widespread takeover.

49:10I think we should treat people according to their skills and their integrity and that’s it.

49:24Studies show?

50:17Like I said, my view is that the only basis for promoting somebody should be there are skills, talents, and their integrity. And that’s it.

50:44Well, I don’t believe that is true. I think we’ve got a very good… If you walk around the Tesla Fremont plant, I think it’s a very good atmosphere. In fact, I practically lived there for

51:00… for three years trying to make the production work.

51:05I never saw it.

51:12Well, I mean, there’s over 20,000 people, so you see, if there’s over 20,000 people in one building, is everyone going to behave perfectly? No. Did I see any situations that I thought were improper? I did not.

51:48It’s come to mean a lot of things.

52:01Yeah, I think it’s come to be… I think being aware of inequities in society is fine, of course, but trying to make everything a race issue is, I think, divisive and corrosive to society.

52:22Yeah. Race or gender or whatever.

52:30It blames a lot of things on it and… Yeah.

52:36Yeah.

52:38I think we should not make this a constant subject. I think we need to move on. I think we just treat people like people.

53:05I think every country at that time, and I think even today, was extremely racist, every country. And obviously slavery was present in about half this country, but was not present in the North. There was racism for sure, but I think we want to look to the future rather than the past. And instead of engaging in constant rehashing of the past… Because, in fact, if you look at history, if you study history broadly, everyone was a slave. Everyone.

53:55Everyone was a slave.

53:58We are all descended from slaves. All of us. But just a question of when? Was it more recent or less recent? That’s it.

54:09But what future do we want? Is this something we want to make part of our constant dialogue forever, or do we want to say, “Let’s just move on and treat everyone according to just who they are as an individual”?

54:33I think we’re doing it better than anywhere else.

54:49What advantages does it do, the color of my skin give me?

55:06Actually, it was very difficult for me to come here.

55:15Well, if we keep talking about it nonstop, it will never go away. If we keep making it the central thing, it will never go away.

55:28I think I’m just making a simple statement of fact. I think we want to get away from making everything a race or a gender or whatever issue and just treat people like individuals.

56:02You cannot have a situation where someone is a self-described victim and they just get to be that because that’s how they feel.

56:22We should understand the history of the country and other countries.

56:27Right. You did very well.

56:42I’m not saying it. Don, you keep putting words in my mouth. I’m not saying it’s not happening.

56:46I’m saying that we as a country should move beyond questions of race and gender and we should treat people like individuals and base our opinions on their character and their skills.

57:05Exactly.

57:17You’ve been incredibly successful.

57:59No, I don’t think everyone has the same opportunities.

58:22Woke mind virus is when you stop caring about people’s skills and their integrity and you start focusing instead on gender and race and other things that differ from that. I think the woke mind virus is fundamentally racist, fundamentally sexist and fundamentally evil. And we’ve got a little bit more time, so you choose your questions carefully.

59:33I guess they can ask others to do whatever they feel… They can ask others to do anything. It’s a different question whether they mandate that others do that thing.

1:00:06If they’re going to force censorship on a company before advertising, then obviously I find that unacceptable.

1:00:24Right.

1:00:32Whereas the other platforms will censor on behalf of advertisers, the X platform will not.

1:00:54That is a different question. You can absolutely choose next to which content do you want your advertising to appear. Absolutely, of course. And we have, I think, very good ad placement controls in this regard.

1:01:18I have to say, choose your question carefully. There’s five minutes left.

1:01:24Is this the question you want to ask?

1:01:36I acquired X in order to preserve freedom of speech in America, the First Amendment, and I’m going to stick to that. And if that means making less money, so be it.

1:02:12I think you-

1:02:14Well, you are upsetting me because the way you’re phrasing the questions I think is not cogent.

1:02:20Not cogent.

1:02:21Yes.

1:02:22So if given a choice where an advertiser is saying, “You have to censor all this content on the platform,” irrespective of where their advertising appears, then our answer will be like, “Look, you can choose what you want your advertising to appear next to. But you can’t insist on censorship of the entire platform. And if you insist on censorship of the entire platform, even where your advertising doesn’t appear,” then obviously we will not want them as an advertiser.

1:03:05Well, first of all, almost all of our advertisers are coming back to the platform. So it’s a very short list of advertisers who are not coming back to the platform. And our advertising revenue is rising rapidly and our subscription revenue is rising rapidly. And I feel very optimistic about the future of the X platform.

1:03:33I was born that way and I had a tough childhood.

1:03:39Yeah.

1:03:42Walter Isaacson goes into it in the book, and we only have a couple minutes left, so-

1:03:47Too long to describe. So the one or two questions I can do and then we’ll have to call it.

1:03:59No, I have a whole room full of people waiting to meet with me.

1:04:02So we’re just going over time.

1:04:22I think we’re all affected by the people we grew up with. My aspiration is to do whatever it takes to extend consciousness into the future. That’s my goal, to make life multi-planetary as part of extending consciousness into the future.

1:04:50It’s been okay.

1:04:59First of all, I’d say if I died knowing that I did what was right or did my best to do what was right, and even if in the history books they say I did wrong, I would still feel okay about that. I care about the reality of goodness, not the perception of it. I think we should view civilization as tenuous, as fragile. If you do study history broadly, you’ll see that there’s a rise and fall of civilizations. They don’t always go up. So we should do everything we possibly can to preserve and extend civilization as we know it and improve it to become more enlightened over time. And we therefore want to address civilizational risks. We want to make sure that we don’t have, for example, demographic collapse, which is the case in a lot of countries, just very low birthrate. We want to obviously avoid World War III, anything that is a civilizational risk. That’s what I care about, civilizational risks. How do we extend consciousness into the future such that we are able to better understand the nature of reality? That’s what I care about. That’s my motivation.

1:06:23I’ve made many mistakes over the years. If I had a time machine, I’d go back and fix them, but I don’t have a time machine.

1:06:28Thank you.