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每次聊到火星,总有人问同一个问题:地球上还有这么多烂摊子,为什么要把钱和人往另一个星球送?
马斯克在《Jay Leno's Garage》里的回答,跟大多数人预期的不一样。他明确否认这是逃跑计划。
即使我们百分之百确定地球永远没事,你愿意永远待在这里吗?我们骨子里有没有那股冒险的冲动,想出去看看宇宙的其余部分,想搞清楚外面到底有什么,说不定还能遇上别的文明?如果想,我们就必须成为多行星物种。(马斯克)
这期节目 2022 年 9 月播出,录制地点在德州布朗斯维尔郊外的 SpaceX Starbase,也就是星舰基地。杰·雷诺(Jay Leno)跟着马斯克从总装车间走到发射塔,从星舰飞船走到超级重型助推器,中间聊了可复用火箭、制造成本、专利、监管、火星城市的人口规模,还有为什么偏偏选在这片靠海的盐碱地。
马斯克说话语速快,经常一句话里塞三个数字,但这次他罕见地有耐心,愿意把工程细节掰开讲。以下是他在这期节目里给出的完整论证。
火箭现在的样子,相当于飞机飞一次就坠毁
雷诺站在厂房里,看着一枚枚已经飞过又飞回来的助推器,问了个很朴素的问题:为什么以前没人做可复用火箭?
马斯克的回答用了一个飞机类比,这个类比在整期节目里反复出现,因为它是理解 SpaceX 全部商业逻辑的钥匙。
现在的火箭,就像你坐飞机到了目的地,跳伞下去,然后飞机坠毁。火箭一直是这么工作的。(马斯克)
他说,你不可能坐一次飞机就把它扔掉,那样机票会贵到没人买得起。火箭行业过去几十年就是这个状态,每一次发射都是一次性消耗掉几亿美元的硬件。
所以 SpaceX 要做的,是火箭界的"飞机化":落地、加注推进剂、再起飞。
雷诺追问,每次飞行后需要翻修多少?马斯克的回答很干脆:快速、完全复用。落地之后加完推进剂就能再飞,像飞机过站一样,加完油就走。检查三个月才敢再飞的那种节奏,从来不在目标里。
这个目标听起来简单,工程上难度极高。发动机要能承受多次点火,箭体结构要能反复承受应力,热防护要能扛住再入大气层的高温,同时还得保证运载能力不打折。马斯克说,这是火箭领域"圣杯"级别的发明,没有它,人类就成不了多行星物种。
到太空容易,到轨道难一百倍
节目里插了一段科普动画,解释一个大多数人容易混淆的概念。
把东西送到"太空",也就是卡门线以上 62 英里(约 100 公里),其实不难。难的是送到"轨道"。
低地球轨道大概在 100 到 1200 英里高度,要上去,光有高度不够,还得有足够快的水平速度,快到离心力能抵消重力,物体才不会掉回大气层烧掉。这个速度大约是每秒 7.8 公里。
马斯克的原话是:
到太空很容易,到轨道比到太空难一百倍。(马斯克)
差别在于推进剂。把载荷举上去只是第一步,还得把它加速到那个速度,而且全程都得带着足够的燃料。齐奥尔科夫斯基公式摆在那里,每多一点速度,燃料需求就指数级上升。
这也解释了为什么可复用火箭这么难。一次性火箭可以为了性能把结构做到极限,反正用完就扔。可复用火箭得在结构里留出着陆燃料、着陆腿、热防护的余量,还要保证箭体能活着回来。性能、重量、复用性三者互相拉扯,任何一项改动都会牵动其他两项。
造火箭比设计火箭难,难得多
节目里有一段对话,马斯克说得特别用力,值得单独拎出来。
雷诺说,你是少数几个会认真谈制造的人。马斯克接话:
制造比设计难得多。有句老话说,百分之一的灵感,百分之九十九的汗水。我觉得实际上是百分之九十九点九的汗水。在美国,我们低估了制造业的价值。制造业极其重要,是根本性的,也是非常难做的事。(马斯克)
他举了个例子。造一枚火箭的原型很容易,造一大批一模一样的火箭才是真正的挑战。
当时 Starbase 的节奏是每个月下线一枚星舰,几年之内要提到每三天一枚。雷诺听到这个数字愣了一下,确认了一遍:"每三天?"马斯克说,对。
为了说明制造效率的意义,马斯克提了迈凯伦。F1 那台车的碳纤维单体壳,当年要 2000 小时才能做出来。到了 P1,同样类型的部件只要 90 分钟。这就是制造工艺进步带来的数量级差异。
他还引了二战的历史。美国能赢,除了士兵素质,靠的是底特律附近的威洛伦工厂每小时下线一架轰炸机,生产速度快过德国人击落的速度。
这个类比放在火箭上,逻辑是一样的:如果一枚火箭要造三个月,火星计划永远只是纸上谈兵;如果能三天造一枚,整个经济模型就变了。
一千艘船,一百万人,二十年
节目里给出了火星计划的具体数字,这些数字撑起了整期访谈信息密度最高的部分。
马斯克说,要在火星上建一座能自我维持的城市,大概需要一千枚星舰。所谓自我维持,定义很严格:如果地球的补给因为任何原因中断,这座城不能死掉。
为什么是一千枚?因为地球和火星的轨道窗口每两年才对齐一次,只有那时候发射才最省燃料。
算一笔账:一千艘船,每艘装一百人,一个窗口期能送十万人过去。二十年下来,累计一百万人。马斯克认为,一百万人大约就是一座自维持火星城市的人口门槛。
他还提到,每艘船在窗口期内可以每天发射一次,甚至一天多次。前提是复用做到位。
至于载人之前要飞多少次,马斯克的估计是数百次。
我觉得载人之前会飞几百次。而且当我们三天造一枚的时候,这个数字很快就会攒够。(马斯克)
换句话说,可靠性得靠实际飞行次数堆出来,地面测试堆不出这个数。这也是 SpaceX 一贯的做法:先飞,炸了再改,改完再飞。
火箭里八成是液氧,两成是甲烷
太空里没有空气,所以氧化剂必须自己带。马斯克解释了星舰的推进剂配方。
按质量算,火箭里大约 80% 是液氧,20% 出头是液态甲烷(CH4)。甲烷是结构最简单的碳氢化合物,燃烧干净,不容易在发动机里积碳,也方便在火星上用萨巴蒂尔反应就地制备。
更关键的一点是过冷。SpaceX 把液氧和液态甲烷都冷却到低于它们正常沸点的温度,让液体密度变大、体积缩小,同样的储箱就能装更多推进剂。这是星舰运力提升的重要来源之一。
马斯克还顺带科普了一句:大多数人不知道,航空煤油其实就是煤油。猎鹰九号用的梅林发动机烧的是精炼煤油加液氧,星舰用的猛禽发动机烧的是甲烷加液氧。甲烷比煤油效率更高,也更适合复用。
这里有个技术脉络值得理清。梅林是 SpaceX 的第一代发动机,结构相对简单,用煤油。猛禽是第二代,用甲烷,采用了全流量分级燃烧循环,是全世界第一台投入实际使用的同类发动机。马斯克在节目里说,猛禽是"有史以来最先进的发动机,按任何标准都是"。
三十三台发动机,人根本来不及操作
超级重型助推器高 230 英尺(约 70 米),底部装着 33 台猛禽发动机,每台推力 50 万磅。
马斯克解释了布局:外圈 20 台固定不动,内圈 13 台可以摆动,用来控制火箭姿态。
雷诺问,宇航员怎么操纵?马斯克的回答让现场安静了一下:
全自动,地面控制。人来不及操作,每秒要做的调整太多了。(马斯克)
有个事实容易被忽略。土星五号时代,宇航员还有一定的手动控制权限。到了星舰这一代,飞行控制完全交给计算机,人只负责监控和应急决策。这跟信不信任人无关,物理上就不允许。
33 台发动机同时工作,任何一台出问题,剩下的要实时重新分配推力、调整重心,这套计算量人手根本跟不上。
星舰组合体的总推力是土星五号的 2.5 倍。土星五号是人类历史上推力量级最大的入轨火箭,而星舰要比它强一倍半。加上可复用和每三天一枚的产能,马斯克说,这个系统最终的能力会是土星五号计划的几千倍。
用机械臂接住火箭
发射塔是 Starbase 最容易让人停下来拍照的东西。两条巨大的机械臂,官方名字叫 Mechazilla,网友叫它"机械哥斯拉"。
马斯克解释了它的用途:把助推器吊到发射台上,再把飞船吊到助推器顶上;火箭回来的时候,用这两条臂接住助推器,放回发射台,再接住飞船,放回助推器上。
整个流程听起来像在堆积木,只不过每块积木有几十层楼高、几百吨重。
马斯克自己也没把话说满:
这个从来没做过。我觉得能成,但可能要试几次。(马斯克)
这种表态在航天行业里算相当坦率。传统航天机构的习惯是把风险藏起来,等成功了再公布。SpaceX 的做法是把失败过程全程直播,炸了也播。马斯克显然认为,公开失败的成本远低于藏着掖着带来的信任损耗。
专利是给弱者准备的
节目里有个转折点,雷诺问马斯克,星舰用的 300 系列不锈钢,有没有申请专利。
马斯克的回答很直接:
我们不申请专利。我不在乎专利。我们把很多专利开源了,谁都能用。专利是给弱者准备的。(马斯克)
他接着说,专利通常被当成封锁手段,就像在战场上埋地雷。它们不推动技术进步,只是阻止别人跟上来。而且大部分专利是扯淡。
这段话在节目播出后被剪成短视频传得很广,因为反差感太强。一个靠技术领先吃饭的人,公开说不在乎专利保护。
逻辑其实自洽。SpaceX 的护城河在工程能力、制造速度和人才密度,法律文件撑不起这道墙。专利能防住抄袭图纸的人,防不住能把火箭造成这样的人。开源专利反而能加速整个行业的技术扩散,把供应链和人才池一起做大。
特斯拉当年也做过类似的事,2014 年宣布开放所有专利。当时很多人不理解,后来发现真正的壁垒在电池成本曲线和超级工厂的产能,那几百份专利文件从来挡不住人。
每年多一堆法规,最后什么都做不了
聊到 Starbase 的建设速度,雷诺问了一句监管和审批的事,马斯克的回答罕见地带了点悲观。
我们该担心的是,规则和法规每年都在增加。过去战争会清除掉糟糕的法规,但我们显然不希望用战争来清除法规。没有战争的话,每年法律和监管都更多一点,最终我们什么都做不了。所以要小心过度监管,它最终会限制文明的进步。(马斯克)
这段话放在 2022 年的语境里,指的是 SpaceX 在德州 Boca Chica 扩建时遇到的环评、野生动物保护、海岸线使用许可等一系列审批。星舰第一次轨道试飞被推迟了好几次,被推迟的原因大多落在许可上,技术问题反倒是少数。
马斯克的观点可以概括成一句话:监管的成本是复利的。每一年多几条规则,看起来不多,但规则之间会互相叠加,二十年后创新者面对的可能是一张无法穿越的网。
他并没有主张取消监管,原话是"要小心过度监管",措辞比很多人转述的版本温和,意思却很明确。
为什么是德州这片盐碱地
节目里雷诺问,为什么把基地建在这么偏的地方。
马斯克给了三个条件,缺一不可。
第一,必须偏远。火箭是巨大的机器,有时候会爆炸,不能建在人口密集区旁边。
第二,必须靠海。
第三,必须朝东,而且要偏南一点。
朝东是因为地球自转。从西向东发射,火箭能借上地球自转的速度,省燃料。靠海是因为万一出事,残骸掉进海里,不会砸到人。
Starbase 的位置正好卡在这三个条件的交集上:德州最南端,墨西哥湾西岸,纬度低,朝东就是开阔海面。
基地占地一百多英亩,2014 年动工,2016 年装第一座跟踪天线,2018 年第一个推进剂储罐到场,2019 年 Starhopper 原型机完成首次试飞,2020 年 3 月现场已经有 500 多人 24 小时轮班,2021 年星舰完成首次成功试飞。马斯克说,过去两年他大概有一半时间住在这边的小村子里,盯着基地建设。
汽车厂和火箭厂互相抄作业
雷诺问,特斯拉的经验有多少被搬到了 SpaceX。
马斯克的回答指向两个行业的互补性:
汽车行业非常擅长制造,火箭行业擅长先进材料和轻量化。交叉授粉最有用的地方就在这里:把汽车的制造技术用到火箭上,把火箭的材料和设计用到车上。(马斯克)
具体例子节目里没展开,但能对上号的不少。特斯拉的一体化压铸来自对大型结构件制造的理解,SpaceX 的不锈钢箭体来自对成本和材料性能的重新权衡。两边共享的除了工程师,还有一整套"怎么把东西造得又快又便宜"的方法论。
马斯克在节目里说了一句挺有意思的话:以前美国车企里说话的是"来自会计部的鲍勃"和"来自法务部的吉姆",现在都是工程师在做决定,他们懂工程的价值。
火星上可能会死人,但这件事本身值得做
节目接近尾声,气氛沉下来。马斯克没有回避风险。
火星上的生活是艰难、危险的,可能会有人死。问题根本上是,我们要不要成为多行星物种。(马斯克)
他接着说了一段在别处也讲过、但每次讲都值得重听的话:
这跟逃离地球、逃去火星无关。我们是有冒险的冲动,想出去看看宇宙的其余部分,想知道外面有什么,也许还能遇到别的文明。我们想让科幻永远不会变成虚构。如果想,我们就得成为多行星物种,然后从那里再走向多恒星物种,抵达其他星系。(马斯克)
有人会说,先把地球上的问题解决好,再谈火星。马斯克的回应是,这两件事不冲突。成为多行星物种本身就是好的,不需要用地球上的进步来合理化。
他给了一个时间尺度很大的判断:
最终会有某种东西把我们干掉。可能是一百年后,可能是一百万年后。但总会有。问题归结起来是:我们想让文明困在地球上,直到最终熄灭,还是想走出去,理解现实的本质?有比日常生活里那些琐碎更重要的事情值得我们考虑。(马斯克)
这段话在节目里没有被剪掉,也没有配煽情的音乐。雷诺听完只是点了点头,说了句"对,对"。
节目剩下的部分也在讲同一件事
这期节目不只有马斯克。另外几个板块拼在一起,其实构成了一条完整的叙事线:电动化、制造效率、技术扩散。
滑板传奇托尼·霍克(Tony Hawk)带来了一台 1964 年的科尔维特 Stingray 敞篷车。原厂的 327 立方英寸 V8 被拆掉,换成一台后置的特斯拉 Model S 小型驱动电机,300 马力,2270 磅英尺扭矩,改装花了 7 万美元。
霍克说,他保留了所有原厂零件,车架没切过,随时能改回去。他还说了一句挺妙的话:以后孙子问起来,就说"爷爷不小心把它改成电动的了"。
喜剧演员皮克·纳塔罗(Pic Nataro)带雷诺看了一台 80 万美元的 LTI Earthworm 房车。福特 F550 底盘,330 马力 6.7 升 10 速涡轮柴油发动机,全碳纤维车厢,11000 瓦时锂电池加车顶太阳能,95 加仑柴油箱,100 加仑饮用水。雷诺一边看一边吐槽"这不算硬核",然后被拉去越野路段颠了一路。
Tech Talk 环节展示的是 2022 款宝马 iX Flow,车身覆盖电子墨水膜,通电就能在黑白之间变色。原理是膜里的数百万个微胶囊,里面装着带不同电荷的颜料颗粒,加电场就能翻转。雷诺开玩笑说,这玩意儿要是能用在衣服上,他就能一键从牛仔裤切换到燕尾服。
最后是 Donald Osborne 带来的三台经典车估值。1965 年谢尔比 GT350,五年前 42.5 万美元,现在至少 50 万;1963 年科尔维特分体窗 coupe,从 20 万涨到 27.5 万;1970 年保时捷 914/6,从 9.5 万涨到 16 万。
这些板块看起来跟马斯克没关系,其实共享同一个底层逻辑:技术一旦跨过某个成本门槛,就会从奢侈品变成日用品。电动科尔维特、太阳能房车、变色车身,都是同一个方向的产物。
把马斯克这期访谈拆开,能拿走的几条判断
整期节目里,马斯克避开了宏大叙事,谈的全是很具体的工程和成本问题。把这些具体问题串起来,能看到一套一致的方法论。
- 用制造成本倒推设计。 先定成本目标,再倒推材料和结构。星舰选 300 系列不锈钢,看中的是便宜、好焊、供应链成熟,性能排在成本和可焊性后面。这个顺序一旦反过来,成本就会失控。
- 可复用的价值在数量级上。 一枚火箭用一次和用一百次,差了 99% 的成本,也差出整个商业模型的可能性。评估任何技术投入时,先问它能不能把某个环节从"一次性"变成"可循环"。
- 把跨行业迁移做成常规动作。 汽车制造业的流水线经验搬到火箭厂,火箭的轻量化材料搬到车上。这种交叉不需要天才,需要的是让两个团队经常见面。
- 对专利保持清醒。 专利能防住抄图纸的人,防不住能把东西造出来的人。真正的壁垒在产能、良率和人才密度。该开源的时候开源,能换来更快的行业扩散和更大的人才池。
- 把监管成本算进项目预算。 与其抱怨监管,不如提前预估审批周期,把它当成和研发并列的一条关键路径。很多项目最后死在许可上,技术关卡反倒先过了。
- 给失败留预算。 星舰第一次试飞前,马斯克自己说"很可能会炸"。把失败写进计划,比假装不会失败更接近现实。
- 用物理定律判断可行性,不用行业惯例。 马斯克那句"只要不违反物理定律,就能做到",听起来像口号,其实是个筛选器。行业惯例说做不到的事,先问它在物理上是否被禁止。如果没有,剩下的就是工程和成本问题。
这期节目最值得记住的,大概是马斯克站在一堆飞回来的火箭残骸旁边说的那句话:这些看起来有使用痕迹的东西,才是一台真正在工作的机器该有的样子。
火箭不该是一次性的烟花。这个判断,比火星本身更早会改变世界。
0:02Even if we're sure Earth would be fine forever, do you want to be here forever?
0:05Do we have a spurt of adventure? Do we want to go out there and see the rest of the universe?
0:10Do we want to find out what's out there?
0:11Maybe meet some alien civilizations. And if so, we need to be a multi-planet species.
0:16That's the next step, and then we can go from there to being a multi-stellar species.
0:21Tonight on J-LONG's Garage, we're getting ready to put the engines on.
0:24A little different than doing an engine swap with the garage.
0:27I meet up with one of the greatest innovators of all time.
0:30Wow.
0:31Elon Musk, and he's giving us an exclusive behind-the-scenes tour
0:35of a spectacular SpaceX Starbase facility.
0:38You built this whole thing in two years.
0:40Yeah.
0:41He'll show us how he's turning his sci-fi dreams of human life
0:44on Mars into an incredible and attainable reality.
0:48We're making one of these every three days.
0:49Really? Yeah.
0:50And that's not all.
0:51Because Elon's innovation have also made the ordinary
0:54for even more exciting.
0:55Skateboard legend Tony Hawk swings by the show
0:58with his Tesla-powered retro mod Stingray Corvette.
1:01Let's use some more electrons.
1:03Ah!
1:04Then if you really can't get to Mars or don't have the time,
1:06comedian-actors take Nataro and I
1:08show you how to go to a valley far, far away
1:11in an unbelievably futuristic state-of-the-art RV.
1:14I think it was just a matter of time
1:15before we ended up in bed together.
1:18Now things might get a little dangerous.
1:19The social technology in here, this guy,
1:21I'm hoping to blow up.
1:22But trust me, it's going to be great.
1:25How many guys say that?
1:27I wouldn't know, not my real health.
1:35Fans of this show, no, it's not just all about
1:37the amazing cars we showcase.
1:39All of the compelling people who drive them.
1:41I want to talk about cars, look at cars, drive cars,
1:44read about cars.
1:45What was the first vehicle you bought?
1:47The Audi Fox.
1:48A sensible car.
1:53I like speed.
1:54Draw your brakes.
1:55It's also about all the incredible innovators
1:58who keep on changing the car game and the way we live.
2:01Like my first guest,
2:03who has graciously invited us all down for visit
2:05to a state-of-the-art SpaceX launch facility
2:08outside Brownfield, Texas.
2:10I'm here at Starbase talking with Elon.
2:12Good to see you again, my friend.
2:13Hi, good to see you.
2:16Now, it's not often you meet up
2:17with the richest man in the world,
2:18but Elon Musk and I have some history.
2:20He came by the garage with his very first
2:23electric roadster way back when?
2:256,831 batteries, is that what it is?
2:28Yeah.
2:28And let's just say his ladies and parents
2:30on this show was super boring.
2:32Say, how are we?
2:33I think you're looking good on this side.
2:35OK, here we go.
2:36Is he what I did there?
2:38Now, when he's not upending the auto industry
2:40with high performance electric cars and trucks,
2:42busy building tunnels below cities or hosting SNL,
2:45he's over at SpaceX pushing the limits of auto space
2:48and technology.
2:50In fact, thanks to their tireless pursuit of reusable rockets,
2:53life on Mars may come much sooner than we think,
2:56especially if Elon has anything to say about it.
3:03This is very inspiring, because that is one of those people
3:06I was all in the space race and then we just walked away from it.
3:09And now it's back and all these kids are here doing this because of you.
3:14I knew their inspiration.
3:15That's got to feel good.
3:16Yeah, I mean, I think we've got an incredible team and we're making great progress here.
3:20We're trying to achieve the holy grail of rocketry, which is a fully and rapidly reusable rocket.
3:25No one has ever made a fully reusable orbital rocket and never one that could be rapidly
3:29reflown like an aircraft.
3:30And that is actually the essential sort of invention, if you will, that is necessary
3:34to make humanity a multiplayer species.
3:36And it seems like common sense.
3:38I mean, you wouldn't get in a plane fly at once,
3:40and then wreck it and then build a round of people.
3:42Yeah, yeah.
3:43Yeah, like the current, the way that rockets used to be
3:47would be like if you put a plane,
3:48and then over your destination,
3:49you jump out of the parachute,
3:51and then the plane crashes.
3:52Right.
3:53And that's actually how rockets work.
3:54Why do you think it was not done before?
3:56I mean, it's a very hard engineering problem.
3:59You need a lot of advancements on the engines,
4:02the airframe, the heat shield, and all of the technologies
4:05that go into the rocket in order to have it be reusable,
4:08but still get payload to orbit.
4:10Right.
4:11Getting to space is easy.
4:12Right.
4:13But getting to orbit is 100 times harder than getting to space.
4:15Really?
4:16Yeah.
4:17Confused?
4:18Let me try to explain.
4:19First things first.
4:21It's hard to release space to Shostomir 62 miles
4:24above the Earth.
4:25Yeah, few miles and say a round trip
4:27drives to the nearest Outland Mall.
4:30but what we call low orbit sits at around 100 to 1200 miles up
4:34and is way harder to achieve,
4:36primarily because it takes a lot more propellant
4:39to not only get there, but to maintain enough speed
4:42to stay up in orbit.
4:44And if an object can't maintain a fast enough orbital velocity,
4:47it'll eventually fall back into our atmosphere
4:49and probably burn up on re-entry.
4:52And since the current price for launching
4:53a SpaceX Falcon Heavy rocket is $97 million,
4:58we definitely don't want that.
4:59These have been reused, these ones here, correct?
5:02Some of them, yeah.
5:03I like the patina of it because it just has a look
5:07of a vehicle in use, you know?
5:09They look like they've been into space.
5:11Yeah, yeah.
5:12The whole thing is built on site here, isn't it?
5:14Yes.
5:14We built them in these high base here
5:17and in the sort of factory behind that high base.
5:19But the public isn't really aware of this
5:21and I think this would be just a good thing
5:23to educate people on.
5:25It's just how absolutely fundamental it is
5:27to make a fully reusable rocket.
5:29Right. It's profound.
5:31Going back to the aircraft analogy we were talking about.
5:34If you had to throw an airplane away after every flight,
5:37it would be so expensive that nobody could fly.
5:39But see, that's why I love the passion that you have.
5:42Because most people need a financial position.
5:45They would have beots and racing cars and places
5:48on the Caribbean and whatnot.
5:49But you put it all into this, don't you?
5:51Yeah, I live here.
5:52I actually ran a house from SpaceX
5:54in the little village over there.
5:56I spent about half my time over the past two years just getting this place built.
6:00Yeah, I mean, I think it's just incredible.
6:03Now the SpaceX Starbase sits on just over 100 a.s. of land right on the western edge of the
6:08Gulf of Mexico.
6:09And a lot has happened here at Starbase since the first broke ground way back in 2014.
6:15The first tracking antenna was installed in 2016 and the first propellant tank arrived
6:20in 2018.
6:21In 2019, they successfully tested and flew the first prototype test vehicle, Dub Starhopper.
6:27And as of March 2020, Starbase had over 500 people on site working here 24-7 on the incredible
6:35third-generation SpaceX vehicle, Starship, which had its first successful test flight,
6:402021.
6:41Now, this is the most impressive thing I've ever seen.
6:45So, this is our Starship.
6:47This is what goes all the way to orbit.
6:48sits on top of the booster. Right. The ship is about 165 feet full. I don't think anybody has any idea
6:55how big this is. Yeah, it's a 30-footin diameter on the inside. Yeah, because when you see it on TV,
7:01you're watching it from a half a mile away. Yeah. I mean, you're sending the Empire State
7:05building into outer space basically. Yeah, it's a gigantic building. In fact, the payload area has
7:11more volume than a 747. Wow. So we can get closer if you want. Yes, can we get a little closer?
7:16You don't have to get too close to realize that the SpaceX Starship is an absolute technological
7:21marvel.
7:22The complete rocket consists of the booster stage below with the sleek looking and state-of-the-art
7:27Starship spacecraft on top, which is constructed with a specially formulated stainless steel
7:32body.
7:33And simply put, it's the tallest and most powerful rocket ever built.
7:39Plus it's reusable, which means huge savings on launch costs and more money for, say,
7:44launches.
7:46Ooh, that looks good.
7:47But amazing design aside, the real magic at SpaceX
7:51is in the manufacturing.
7:52You're the only person I've heard talk eloquently
7:55about the actual manufacturing,
7:56because that's the hard part.
7:58Anybody can draw a rocket.
7:59Yeah, manufacturing is by far harder than the design.
8:03I mean, there's an old saying,
8:04it's like 1% inspiration, 99% phosphoration.
8:07I think it might actually be 99.9% phosphoration.
8:11Actually, in America, I'd say we underweight
8:13value of manufacturing.
8:14Right.
8:15Manufacturers is extremely important, fundamental, and a very difficult thing to do.
8:18Even making prototypes of the rocket is easy compared to manufacturing a whole bunch of
8:24them.
8:25So we're gearing up to make one of these per month, and then within a few years, we're
8:28making one of these every three days.
8:30Really?
8:31Yeah.
8:32You know, I always say we won World War II, not necessarily because we had the best soldiers
8:34which we did, but we were able to make a bomber every hour at a willow run.
8:39I mean, we actually built planes faster
8:42than the Germans could shoot them down.
8:44And there's still an awful lot of hand work on these, isn't it?
8:47It's men with welding equipment and tools
8:51and putting a rocket together, isn't it?
8:53I mean, there is quite a bit of automation.
8:55So we use lasers like Laser Weld for all the larger wells.
9:00It's a machine doing a very precise laser weld.
9:03And what you want to do here is build what?
9:04A total of 1,000 rockets?
9:06How many rockets are needed to create
9:08self-sustaining civilization on Mars is probably on the order of a thousand.
9:12So you can only go to Mars every two years.
9:13Hold on a second. Two years? Well that's right because every two years Earth and Mars are
9:18orbitally aligned to allow for the shortest route between them.
9:22Okay Elon, take it away.
9:24So if you've got a thousand ships, if you're able to put a hundred people on that ship,
9:27that'll be a hundred thousand people every two years.
9:30And say it'd take you 20 years to get to a million people.
9:33And figure, I don't know, about a million people is probably what you need to create a self-sustaining city on Mars.
9:37Well, that's why I love you. I always think big. I remember talking to you years ago about trains,
9:42and I was saying, you know, 200-mile-hour train, he said, no, no, no.
9:45Mine'll be 800 miles an hour. I mean, you're always thinking that next step ahead, which I love.
9:51As long as one is not breaking the laws of physics, it can be done.
9:54And the SpaceX team is using those laws of physics combined with all new manufacturing innovations
9:59to build the most efficient and powerful reusable rockets ever made.
10:04The Starship is two and a half times the thrust of a Saturn V.
10:06Wow.
10:07The 75 was the largest rocket ever to reach orbit, and this is two and a half times more
10:11power than that.
10:12And one a month, and they're meant to be reusable, we're talking about something that
10:16ultimately as a system is thousands of times more capable than the Saturn V program.
10:21Boy, that's, yeah, that's amazing.
10:23When stacked and fully fueled, the Starship and Bustamod roll together weigh around 11
10:28million pounds.
10:29And it's 30 feet wide and 390 feet high.
10:33It's also taller than the Saturn V rocket by around 30 feet.
10:36And of course, like any rocket bound for the depths of space,
10:39it's going to need fuel.
10:41A lot of fuel.
10:42Because there's no air in space, you actually
10:44have to carry your oxygen with you.
10:45The rocket is almost 80% oxygen.
10:48And then the fuel is the simplest hydrocarbon, which
10:50is methane, CH4.
10:52So it's liquid oxygen and liquid methane.
10:54And what is the ratio?
10:56It's almost 80% oxygen by mass, and just over 20% liquid methane.
11:01And we also subcooled the liquid oxygen and liquid methane.
11:05So they're actually even colder than their initial liquid point.
11:09And this increases the density.
11:12So as you cool them, even as liquids, they shrink,
11:15you can get more propellant on the vehicle.
11:17This is intended to be the first ship to attempt
11:20to reach orbit.
11:21There's so much new technology in here.
11:22There's good chance the whole thing just blows up.
11:24But we have another ship behind that, another booster behind that.
11:27If the first one doesn't work, we'll fix the issue,
11:28and we'll launch again.
11:29So by the time this is stacked on the launch pad,
11:32we'll have a second ship waiting.
11:34And how many things would you test
11:36before you do human cargo?
11:38I think we'd have hundreds of flights before we did.
11:40Oh, okay.
11:41Yeah, probably hundreds.
11:43But when you're building one every three days,
11:44that's gonna happen pretty quick.
11:46And each one that we build can be launched daily,
11:49if not multiple times a day.
11:51I remember we talked once, you had an F1 McLaren,
11:53and when that came out, it was 2000 hours
11:56to make the carbon fiber tub.
11:58And then now the P1, it's 90 minutes.
12:01Wow.
12:02So it's that same type of manufacturing efficiency
12:04you're looking for.
12:05Yes, manufacturing efficiency is essential.
12:08And the fact that all this was done
12:10in just a two year period.
12:12Yeah, we're getting ready to put the engines on.
12:14Yeah, a little different than doing the engines
12:16swapping the garage.
12:18Well, we can take a look at the booster as well.
12:21Yeah, let's see that.
12:22Coming up.
12:23We explore more of the SpaceX Starbase
12:25where Elon will show us how he's giving the future of space travel one great big
12:29boost. The astronauts are they staring it is all done on the ground from here. It's
12:34automatic no parallel parking is out of the way. And later comedian Tigna Taro and
12:39I go roughing it back on earth and a fantastic new RV so amazing it would
12:43leave even the most ardent camper speechless. Well gosh, wow. Today we've been
12:54touring this spectacular SpaceX Starbase facility located down in Texas with one
12:59of today's true visionaries, the incomparable Elon Musk.
13:03But you built this whole thing in two years.
13:06Yeah.
13:07When we left off, Elon explained how manufacturing
13:10a usable rocket is a major hurdle.
13:12So making one rocket sound like a walk in the park
13:15in order to realize Elon's dream of making humanity
13:17a multi-planet species, the reusable rocket manufacturing
13:21process must be absolutely cost effective.
13:24Something I've heard you talk about,
13:25which I've never heard anybody else talk about,
13:27is cost per ton.
13:29The point here with the cost per ton is not
13:31like some mercantile sort of, you know,
13:33business-y thing, but really from a practical standpoint,
13:36what level of resources is necessary to get enough mass
13:39and enough people to Mars to have a self-sustaining city.
13:43And the self-sustaining thing is part is important.
13:45If the structures from Earth stop coming for any reason,
13:48the city can't die out.
13:49Right, right.
13:50That's a very important threshold.
13:51Right now, the cost per ton of payload to Mars
13:56is over a billion dollars.
13:57in order for a self-sustaining city to be created,
14:00we need to improve that by probably 10,000 times.
14:03So 100,000 per ton.
14:04Yes.
14:05Well, that would be an improvement.
14:06How do you get that cost out?
14:08Reusability is essential.
14:09That's the key to it.
14:10Yeah, OK.
14:10How much rebuildability is necessary after one use?
14:15No, I'm going to say it's going to be rapid and complete
14:17reuse.
14:18It lands, you refold propellant, and you take off.
14:20Really?
14:21Just like at least you own the car.
14:22Yes.
14:23Wow.
14:24But just the tad more expensive.
14:26Oh, and your mileage may vary.
14:29Now, if you thought the Starship module was stunning,
14:31wait until you behold the Super Heavy Booster.
14:34Standing at 230 feet tall, the booster
14:37is the bottom module of a complete rocket
14:39and does all the heavy lifting to get the Starship into space.
14:43Like the Starship, the SpaceX Super Heavy Booster
14:45is made of a specially made, high-grade, stainless steel.
14:49Each booster is equipped with 33 incredibly powerful
14:52Raptor rocket engines capable of delivering
14:55half a million pounds of thrust each.
14:57And to deliver the payload necessary
14:59to make the mission a success,
15:01they need every bit of it.
15:03So the first engine we developed
15:05is called the Merlin engine.
15:06Right.
15:06That uses basically a refined form
15:09of jet fuel and oxygen.
15:11It's a much simpler engine than the Raptor.
15:13Methane is a more powerful fuel than,
15:15Methane is a more efficient fuel than kerosene,
15:19which is jet fuel.
15:20Most people don't rise, jet fuel is just kerosene.
15:22Right, yeah.
15:23All the engines are identical power or...
15:25Yeah.
15:26And they move, don't they?
15:27So there's 20 engines on the outside
15:29and they don't move.
15:31The 13 engines on the inside
15:33do move to steer the rocket.
15:35Okay.
15:35Now the astronauts, are they steering it?
15:38It's all done on the ground from here.
15:40No, it's automatic.
15:41It's on autopilot.
15:42Okay, all autopilot.
15:43Yeah, you can't steer it.
15:44It's too...
15:45Yeah, yeah, yeah.
15:46By as too many adjustments per second.
15:48No parallel parking is not the word.
15:50Yep.
15:51And speaking of parallel parking, another crucial technological innovation SpaceX has developed
15:56is a gargantuan two-arm tower, officially known as Megazillion.
16:03In order to achieve a full and rapid reusability with the rocket, we need to be able to place
16:07the rocket onto the launch stand quickly, or place the booster on, then place the ship
16:11on top of the booster, and then when they come back, we need to catch the booster with
16:16the giant mechazula arms and put it on back on the launch stand and then catch the ship
16:21and put it back on the booster.
16:23So we built this giant mechazula tower to be able to lift and catch these gigantic rocket
16:28parts.
16:29It's never been done before.
16:30So I think it'll work, but it might take a few tries.
16:34And Elon's optimism is not unfounded because for every SpaceX misstep, and there's been
16:38a few, they've had a far greater number of successes.
16:42by creating the first privately funded liquid propellant rocket to reach orbit,
16:47the first private company to launch orbit and recover a spacecraft,
16:50the first vertical takeoff and propulsive landing of an orbital rocket,
16:54and the first private company to send astronauts into orbit, among many, many others.
17:00But all of these milestones are essential steps in order for Elon to achieve his ultimate goal of colonizing Mars.
17:07But it's important to remember that when paving the way for others, there's always an inherent risk.
17:16I'd say life in Mars is difficult, dangerous,
17:18somebody might, you know, people might die.
17:20It's just fundamentally, are we gonna become
17:22a multi-planet species or not?
17:24Even if we're sure Earth would be fine forever,
17:27do you wanna be here forever?
17:29I think we wanna be a space-braying civilization.
17:31It's not like let's escape to Mars.
17:33Do we have a spurt of adventure?
17:35Do we wanna go out there and see the rest of the universe?
17:37Do we wanna find out what's out there
17:39and maybe meet some alien civilizations?
17:41Do we want science fiction to not be fiction forever?
17:44And if so, we need to be a multi-planet species.
17:47That's the next step, and then we can go from there
17:50to being a multi-stellar species,
17:52and get to other star systems.
17:54I disagree with the notion of rationalizing,
17:56becoming a multi-planet species with advancements on Earth.
17:58It is good in and of itself.
18:00It is important that we do this,
18:01because eventually there's something we'll do us in.
18:04It might be, in 100 years, it might be in a million years,
18:06but something will do us in.
18:07What it comes down to is, through a civilization,
18:10to surround on Earth until eventually, it is extinguished.
18:13an old life is extinguished, or do we want to get out there and understand the nature of
18:17reality? There are grander things that we should be considering, then the patiness of everyday
18:24life. Right, right. Coming up. Elon Musk explains how the future of innovation could
18:29find itself all wrapped up in a lot of red tape. We do need to be cautious about over-regulating
18:34and actually ultimately limiting the advancement of civilization.
18:38But first, can we take Nataro and I try to escape the inevitable extinction of humanity
18:43in the ultimate futuristic family survival vehicle.
18:46How was that?
18:49So far, we've been walking and talking with Elon Musk,
18:58discussing why humankind needs to head into the heavens.
19:01Even if we're sure Earth would be fine forever,
19:03do you want to be here forever?
19:06But now we're returning to the safety of Terra Fuhrmer,
19:08while it still exists, of course,
19:10with one of the funniest comics working today
19:13who's recently become an unlikely action star,
19:16The one and the only,
19:17Picnotaro.
19:20Now, when she isn't kicking zombie butt
19:22in Zack Snyder's army that dead or traveling
19:24at war speed on Star Trek Discovery,
19:26Pic is bringing audiences belly laughs on stage
19:29or in one of her many stand up specials,
19:31including the completely animated
19:33and hilarious Picnotaro drawn.
19:35I love that this spider lives up there
19:39and it's just like, who is performing tonight?
19:46Not a fan.
19:49Well, I got news for you, spider.
19:50I'm a big fan, and I know you will be too.
19:54You know, I kind of laughed to myself
19:55because I know he was a comic,
19:56and I see you in movies and TV shows
19:58as this badass character now.
20:00But you're very convincing, actually.
20:02Well, thank you.
20:03You like acting?
20:03It's fun.
20:04It's not my go-to like stand up, but I enjoy it.
20:08I remember you had motorcycles like a long time ago.
20:10Are you still right?
20:11I don't.
20:12They are sitting side by side in my garage.
20:15I feel like just getting married, having kids.
20:17I need something that marries badassery and family life.
20:23I think I have the perfect vehicle.
20:25OK.
20:26Just follow me.
20:27Just trust me.
20:28How many guys say that?
20:29I wouldn't know.
20:31Not my wheelhouse.
20:33Ta-da.
20:35Oh, gosh.
20:36I didn't even see that.
20:37This is the ultimate RV.
20:39And that's a word I don't just throw around lightly,
20:42even though I throw around all the time.
20:43Because the super futuristic LTI Earthworm
20:46is every bit of ultimate and more.
20:48OK, it's no starship, but if you have $800,000 lying around,
20:53you can explore the terrain like royalty
20:55in the Earth room with ultra lightweight and complete carbon
20:58fiber cabin.
20:59The chassis is an extremely durable Ford F550
21:03and features a highly capable 330 horsepower 6.7 liter
21:0710 speed turbo diesel engine.
21:09But the most impressive feature here
21:11may just be the rechargeable 11,000 watt hour lithium-ion
21:15battery bank, which combined with the rooftop solar array,
21:18will ensure you never run out of electricity.
21:22This is nice.
21:23Pretty cool, isn't it?
21:24Yes.
21:26Now, if the exterior made your jaw drop,
21:27then I hope somebody brought some extra socks,
21:30because they're about to be knocked completely off.
21:32Between the full kitchen and the wine closet,
21:34enough storage compartment for weeks,
21:36you'll also get a spacious living and sleeping area,
21:38plus a shower toilet combo.
21:40That sounds bad, but it's actually good,
21:42which you can use to take care of all your bathroom
21:45business twice as fast. Just storage everywhere at your trash in there.
21:49Also could be used as a toilet. This could be used as a toilet too.
21:53You seem preoccupied. And look, this is a ladder to help you get into bed.
21:57Oh, well, it was just a matter of time before we ended up in bed together.
22:01That's the way these movies always turn out, you know.
22:04Is this a movie? Yeah, yeah, that's the movie.
22:06Well gosh, whoa. Okay, and this comes down like this. Go ahead.
22:15Thank you.
22:16Oh, gosh.
22:18That's a nice shot, huh?
22:20Oh, I see.
22:22I'm up here, honey.
22:23Yeah.
22:25Watch your head.
22:26Well, this isn't bad.
22:28No, it's not.
22:32I love you.
22:36Your snoring drives me crazy.
22:44Ready to go for a drive?
22:45Yes, I am.
22:46Let's drive to the next place we're going to sleep.
22:48Come on.
22:49Ah.
22:52This is insane.
22:53How does it feel?
22:54It's easy and fun and I just want to like go nuts.
22:57Well the fun thing is you could have your entire family, cats, in-laws and everything back there.
23:02And you right?
23:03And me that's just great.
23:04From here on out, Jay Leno is a part of everything I do.
23:08That's right.
23:09Is it hard work doing action roles?
23:19I mean are you doing a lot of running and jumping kind of stunts or is it mostly just operating machinery?
23:25I guess at 51 running would be a stunt.
23:28Right.
23:29But I've really technically only done one action film,
23:33Army of the Dead.
23:35And they erased an actor from the film
23:39that they had already completely finished production on.
23:43And then Green Screen meet in his place.
23:46And so I had to film the entire movie by myself
23:50for two weeks on a green screen.
23:52And I had to fly a helicopter and fight zombies.
23:55You're just doing this.
23:57Well, I wouldn't say just doing that.
23:59You know what, I mean, but you're acting.
24:02Yeah, I'm like, I'm like,
24:04the teams are going, ah, off to the side,
24:06pretending to be something else.
24:07Yeah, there was no real zombie.
24:09Right, right.
24:10If that's what you're asking.
24:11There you go, right.
24:12Let's try some real off-road.
24:14This does not qualify for bad-assery.
24:16No.
24:17You get a really bad, 10 miles of bad road.
24:20We're going 10 miles an hour.
24:22The question is, do you know how to get to bad-assery?
24:25The road to bad-assery.
24:28Now, we should have no trouble getting to bad assery,
24:30especially when you factor in this thing's massive 95-gallon
24:33diesel fuel tank and 100-gallon capacity
24:35for crisp, clean, drinkable H2O.
24:39Now, is that an insurmountable hill I see ahead?
24:41Ha, ha, ha, ha.
24:42We'll see about that.
24:43Ah!
24:44What's that on?
24:49There you go.
24:50Look at that.
24:51OK.
24:51All right, I think we should put this thing to the test.
24:53I'll go over the back and do some family activities.
24:56I'll make some food, cook some things.
24:58That's all right?
24:59That would be great.
24:59Yeah, let's do it.
25:01All right, Jay.
25:03Hold on, my friend.
25:07What's some cake?
25:08You're making tea.
25:09I'll have some.
25:11I don't know if my cats are going to like this or my wife.
25:16Hope you're not working with knives.
25:18Let me know if you want me to come back there.
25:21I can put it on cruise control.
25:24Take a making you a badass cake.
25:26All right, Jay.
25:26Let me know if there are any bumps coming up.
25:28How's it going?
25:29I want some cake.
25:34Sorry about that. What the hell happened?
25:41Hit a bump.
25:43It better be vegan.
25:46Coming up.
25:47We go no holes barred with Elon Musk.
25:50Watch as he shares his uncensored views on the patent process.
25:54Patents are for the week. There you go.
25:56But first, we'll get an exclusive look at a color changing BMW so futuristic, you won't believe it.
26:02It's now time once again to catch up on some of the all new latest and greatest in futuristic
26:10with Tech Talk.
26:12The vehicle today is a 2022 BMW iX.
26:16I've always been a fan of BMW.
26:18They've always been on the cutting edge a bit.
26:20And this is really cutting edge.
26:22Let me bring in a general help explaining it.
26:24Marcus Brandley.
26:25Marcus, come on in, my friend.
26:27Now, this is the BMW iX flow of featuring e-ink.
26:33Featuring e-ink.
26:35Now, you'll notice this car is great.
26:37This car is great.
26:38But it won't be for long because this 2022 all-electric BMW IEX can completely change
26:44its color with the touch of a button thanks to its phenomenal prototype E-Ink exterior.
26:50I mean it's so incredible you must have to forget there's a highly capable and super
26:53stylish $80,000 SUV hiding under there.
26:58Explain to us how this works.
27:00E-ink is a foil, a center of it,
27:02has millions of micro-capsules within a clear fluid.
27:06You have electrically charged pigment.
27:09And in this particular case of E-ink,
27:12which is a two-ink system,
27:14by using the corresponded electric field,
27:16you will have from black to white
27:19and all the shades of grain between.
27:21See, one of the just may apply to humans,
27:22I could go from denim to tuxedo.
27:25You just want to imagine if I could just be in a tuxedo.
27:28Yeah, or main peenie or something, yeah.
27:31Well, let's take a ride and change colors out in the road.
27:34Show it looks going down the street.
27:36It's so funny, the eye ink is over shadowed.
27:49The whole car.
27:50Yes, it's true.
27:51But here in extrovert, if you're like a big-time rapper or something,
27:54this is better than a rapper.
27:56Oh, it's the rapper, the rapper.
27:58Well, Marcus, thank you very much for bringing this to us.
28:02It's great to see.
28:03Thank you, my friend.
28:04No, thank you.
28:05That's great.
28:06It's great.
28:07Great.
28:11Now it's time to meet back up with Elon Musk.
28:15Earlier in the show, we got a look at some of the amazing things
28:17Elon and his SpaceX crew have been building
28:20for their incredibly ambitious Mars mission down
28:23at the Starbase facility in Southern Texas.
28:25So we've built this giant, meccazilla tower
28:27to lift and catch these gigantic rocket parts.
28:30I think it'll work, but it might take a few tries.
28:33We've seen the sleek and sturdy Starship
28:35and beheld the massive super heavy booster.
28:38But as of any great business, it's
28:39all about location, location, location.
28:42So it definitely begs the question.
28:44Why would Texas?
28:46We needed a place that was out of the way,
28:48because these are giant rockets, and they sometimes explode.
28:51So it needed to be a remote location,
28:54and it also needed to be on the ocean or on the sea,
28:57southward and facing east.
28:58So when you launch eastward, you take advantage
29:00of Earth's rotation to get to orbit,
29:02and you want to launch over the water in case something goes
29:05wrong, and you don't like land luck rocket debris on people.
29:08Right.
29:08Now while Elon and the SpaceX crew have all been extremely busy building rockets and streamlining
29:13their process to make it more cost effective, they have also had to overcome a ton of hurdles
29:19to build up this amazing facility in record time.
29:23Tell me about regulations and red tape and all that kind of nonsense.
29:27How big a part of the problem is all that?
29:29It's something that we should be worried about is that the rules and regulations get more
29:34and more every year.
29:36In the past, war has wiped away bad rules and regulations, but also we prefer not to have
29:41war as the means of getting rid of rules and regulations.
29:44In the absence of that, what happens is there are more laws and regulations every single year,
29:49and eventually we won't be able to do anything.
29:52So we do need to be cautious about over-regulating and having too many rules and regulations, basically
29:58stopping innovation and actually ultimately limiting the advancement of civilization.
30:03And these are some of the rockets here.
30:06Yeah.
30:07And these are all manufactured on site here?
30:09No, these are made in California.
30:10Oh, these are made in California, okay.
30:12But SpaceX.
30:13SpaceX.
30:14Yeah, I mean, you make them.
30:15Yeah, we make actually the engine.
30:16Okay.
30:17It's the highest hammer pressure engine ever done operationally.
30:18By any standard, the most advanced engine ever made.
30:21And how quickly can you turn out one of these?
30:23We make them one a day.
30:24Wow, one a day, that's pretty amazing.
30:26Is there one thing you're most proud of, one particular achievement or one piece of
30:31manufacturing or design?
30:33I mean the most counterintuitive thing is making the rocket out of steel probably.
30:37Yeah, we use 300 series stainless steel.
30:39Is that something you patent?
30:40No, we don't really patent things.
30:42Oh really? No.
30:43I don't care about patents.
30:44Oh, okay.
30:45It tells us that we open source to a lot of patents.
30:47Anyone can use them.
30:47That's what I mean.
30:48So you...
30:48Patents are for the week.
30:49Yeah, you share.
30:50There you go.
30:51You know, the problem is like patents are generally used as a blocking technique.
30:55Right.
30:55They're like using like land mines in warfare.
30:58Right.
30:58So they don't actually help advance things.
31:01They just stop others from following you,
31:04and most patents are BS.
31:06Any lessons from Tesla that you adopted just SpaceX?
31:09Well, the automotive industry is very good at manufacturing,
31:12and the rocket industry is good at advanced materials
31:15and making things light.
31:15So that's where the cross-pollination is most useful,
31:18is taking manufacturing techniques from automotive,
31:20applying them to rockets,
31:22taking advanced materials and design from rockets
31:25and applying it to cars.
31:26Well, Elon, I know you're very busy.
31:28I know the phones ring and the people who drive you quickly.
31:30Thank you, my friend.
31:31Thank you.
31:32Thank you for being such an inspiration
31:33and inspiring so many young people
31:35to get into engineering and science.
31:37I unfortunately have to rush to read it.
31:38Go, go, let's go, go.
31:39Thank you, bye.
31:40Oh yeah.
31:41Thank you.
31:42All right, thanks.
31:43I'll take care of this rocket stuff from here on in.
31:47Coming up.
31:48Skateboarding icon Tony Hawk takes a few pages out
31:51of Elon's playbook and turns his classic Corvette
31:54into a futureized electric icon.
31:57I have this unconscious desire to downshift so badly.
32:00And later, this old bird will teach Tony Hawk some new tricks.
32:05Stay tuned.
32:11You know, long before Elon Musk set his sights on Mars
32:13and the stars, his team at Tesla already
32:16had everyone playing catch-up after they totally
32:18revolutionized the electric car market.
32:21Elon's Tesla changed the way we look at electrics,
32:24making them sleek or faster and far more efficient
32:27than ever before.
32:28And now, their state-of-the-art electric motors
32:31are even upending it all new or should,
32:32It's a older market, hot rock.
32:36And my next guess is just dying to show me the one he put
32:38in his own classic Stingray Corvette.
32:41Now you haven't seen this car in like three years, right?
32:44Just about, yeah.
32:45I gave it to EV West in hopes of doing something,
32:49and then delays and COVID.
32:51But here it is.
32:52Looks great.
32:53And here's Tony Hawk.
32:55As a pioneer of modern vertical skateboarding,
32:57for decades, Tony helps set the standard for aerial excellence
33:01in the sport.
33:02over his prestigious 17-year career.
33:04He won too many championships to count.
33:06And now, when he isn't appearing all over TV,
33:09he's probably at home playing his own video games.
33:11In fact, his first title, Pro Skater,
33:13generated over one billion revenue,
33:15making it one of the most successful games of all time.
33:19And now let's take a look at his electric Corvette conversion.
33:23Well, let's go ahead and think what we have here.
33:25It's a 64 Corvette.
33:27But not just any old 64 Corvette convertible.
33:30It's old gas-guzzling 327 V8 has been replaced
33:33and futureized with an eco-friendly,
33:35rear-mounted 300 horsepower Tesla's small drive motor.
33:39The good news is you won't have to shout
33:40at $70,000 price tag to your passengers
33:43over the roar of the engine,
33:44because this thing can now deliver
33:45over 2,270 foot-pounds of whisper-quiet torque.
33:50So you bought it and it had the 327,
33:52probably with a four-bar all 300 horse?
33:54Yeah.
33:55Was it a manual or automatic when you had it?
33:57Manual.
33:58A manual.
33:58I'd open the hood, but there's nothing under here except batteries,
34:01because the engine is in the back.
34:03But we could still open it up just to piss off all the purists.
34:06All right, yeah.
34:07All right, let's open the hood.
34:08Let's see what we got.
34:12Oh, look at that.
34:13Oh, wow.
34:14Oh.
34:16Ooh.
34:17Looks like a coffin.
34:19Yeah, not a lot to see under here.
34:21And we can't even see the motor, because the back doesn't open up there.
34:25It's all smoke and mirrors.
34:27But again, this can be converted back at some point.
34:30Yes, if you have grandchildren, my grandpa,
34:33he mistakenly made it electric.
34:35You know.
34:37So, all right, very nice.
34:40Cool.
34:41So how are the car guys responding to this?
34:44I don't think the Corvette purists are going to like this
34:47very much, but I've never been one to hold on to just all
34:50the original parts.
34:52Right.
34:52We still have them.
34:53Right.
34:54And you can go back.
34:54Nothing's been cut.
34:56Yes.
34:56The frame hasn't been modified.
34:58You can put the original engine transmission back in
35:00So my apologies to all the GM purists out there.
35:04They will hunt you down.
35:05I realize that, yeah.
35:07Well, let's see what you got.
35:08All right.
35:10So your first 25 feet.
35:13Feels good.
35:14Yeah.
35:15Same steering.
35:16Same steering.
35:17Yeah.
35:18Well, everything else is the same.
35:19Yeah, it does.
35:20All you've got is change a matter of propulsion.
35:21Might even feel faster than the stock Corvette.
35:23I'll let you know in a second.
35:25How does the handling feel?
35:37Very similar.
35:38Very similar to your arm.
35:39Very similar.
35:40It feels the same as it did.
35:42I have this unconscious desire to switch gears.
35:45That's funny.
35:46Yeah.
35:47Like right now, I want to downshift so badly.
35:48That's funny.
35:49So what was your first automobile?
35:51What did you learn to drive on?
35:53I learned to drive a 1977 Civic CBCC hatchback.
35:57Oh, that's a nice little car.
35:58Yeah, it was cool.
35:59That's...
36:00Stick for automatic.
36:01Stick.
36:02Ah, stick too.
36:03Yeah, go.
36:04My dad wouldn't have it any other way.
36:05bought the car for $1,500 and he drove it to Tijuana,
36:10had a painted red for my birthday.
36:11That's funny.
36:12Was he a real car guy or dad?
36:14He wanted me to learn how to tune up my car.
36:16Right.
36:17Which I didn't learn.
36:19But.
36:20Now as a kid, did your parents ever think,
36:23well, let's get this skateboarding nonsense out of his head
36:26and get a real job as an insurance salesman or something?
36:28They were surprisingly supportive.
36:30Yeah?
36:31Yeah.
36:31My dad passed away in 95.
36:33I was right before I had my big waves of success.
36:36Right.
36:36But my mom, she used to literally stop strangers
36:39in the airport and say, my son is Tony Hawk.
36:42That's funny.
36:43It's nice when I'm not with her.
36:44But when I was with her, it's awkward.
36:45Yeah, yeah.
36:46What did your dad do?
36:47He was in the Navy during World War II.
36:50Wow.
36:51And then he retired in San Diego.
36:53It was kind of a jack of all trades.
36:55So he did a lot of handyman work.
36:57He worked on cars.
36:58He actually formed the National Skateboard Association
37:01when there was no governing or sanctioning body
37:04for skate events.
37:05Oh, is that right?
37:05Yeah, so he was the biggest supporter.
37:07Oh, that's pretty cool.
37:08What next for you? What are you doing?
37:18You know, we have our foundation.
37:19Yeah, tell me about the foundation.
37:20Foundation helps to build public skate parks
37:23in low income areas.
37:24Right.
37:25In underserved areas, we've been doing it 20 years
37:28as of this year.
37:28Helped to fund over 900 skate parks.
37:31Well, congratulations on all your success.
37:33It's pretty amazing.
37:33Oh, thank you.
37:34Tony, thank you, my friend.
37:35All right, no worries.
37:36I'll do some more electrons.
37:38Coming up.
37:41The Donald LaVaz is back and he's brought three all new incredible vehicles along to
37:46assess and caress.
37:48That is our exercise in this segment.
37:51And be sure to stick around and watch me turn Tony Hawk's whole world upside down.
37:55Oh!
37:56For more cool cars go to jlonzgarage.cnbc.com
38:01Fuck off folks it's time to assess and caress with the love bullet.
38:12Okay, we have three vehicles today from one of my favorite places, the Audrain Automotive Museum in Newport, Rhode Island.
38:19Something connects these cars somehow.
38:22I think they're all cool. They're all unique. Donald, what is the connection here?
38:26Well, Jay, we're here with you and acknowledged Icon because these are three icons.
38:33Then why are you here?
38:36I am a legend.
38:38A legend, okay.
38:39We've got a 1965 Shelby GT350, a 1970 Porsche 946,
38:46and a 1963 Corvette 327 Coupe.
38:50So we're gonna start here with the GT350.
38:53Of course, you, as the owner of a GT350,
38:55know how incredibly special this car is.
38:58The work that was done, not simply to give it more power,
39:01but to make it handle the lowered suspension,
39:04the better Borg Warner gearbox.
39:06And had the aluminum cases rather than, yeah.
39:09Exactly.
39:10And this is a car that people think of American cars
39:13of this period as being cars that may go fast,
39:15but they don't handle.
39:16This car does everything you want a sports car to do.
39:19You know, a lot of times that first generation just gets it right.
39:22And this is a classic case of getting it right the first time.
39:25Let's talk about the Corvette.
39:26And of course, this has to be referred to as the split window,
39:29because that's what set the 63 apart.
39:32To this day, I still think it's the most beautiful Corvette.
39:35It's very rare that a hard top sometimes is better looking
39:38than the convertible.
39:39But to me, this was so cool because the doors cut into the
39:43roof kind of race car style.
39:45And this split window, which Bill Mitchell loved, and
39:48Arca's Duntov, who was, of course, Mr. Corvette, who was
39:52the race guy, he hated it.
39:54He couldn't see out of it.
39:55And they had a huge fight.
39:56And Mitchell's, I will do it for one year.
39:58And of course, it became the icon.
39:59One of the things I'm sure that also drove Dunt of Crazy were
40:02the fake grills in the hood.
40:04right now what happened with these at extremely high speeds above 130 the front
40:09end would lift the air would get under it
40:11so these were supposed to be open
40:13so the air could come out and keep the car on the ground but
40:16it costs too much
40:18to poke all the holes or to drill them or whatever you do
40:21so they just put these covers on here which done talks it just was crazy
40:25you know imagine somebody
40:26taking your thing and all you can't do that
40:29yeah so
40:30it was it needs that mascara
40:33i mean dantoff really gave corvette the name but he was constantly fighting with
40:37quote the bean counters i i don't think you have that problem today
40:41because everybody is an engineer now
40:43right american car companies everybody the old days it was bob from a tag this
40:47is jim from liga tobacco with this is so whatever might be
40:50you know but that now they're all engineers and they understand the value
40:54of engineering
40:55so let's talk about the last of our trio here the porsa
40:58pretty controversial car
41:00you know the trouble with these when they came out the idea was to build
41:04a lower price portion
41:05but that's the very interesting thing about
41:07this car and the fact that it was a joint venture between folks walking and
41:11portion
41:12and the idea was that
41:14folks are going to get a car to replace the car and get a car that they
41:17could sell at a lower price
41:19than the nine eleven to broaden their market i think that the design of this
41:22car is absolutely brilliant because the designer was tasked with
41:26the role of creating a car that did not look like a folks walking
41:30or look like a Porsche, and in Europe they market it as a VW Porsche, and they realized
41:36that in the United States no one was going to buy a Porsche that had a VW badge on it,
41:41but nonetheless I think it's a very special car and I think they did a remarkable job
41:45with it.
41:46But this still has the problem Porsche always had, it's not a 911.
41:51Okay so which one has appreciated most in the last five years?
41:55That is correct, that is our exercise in this segment, and your thoughts, Mr. Lenna.
41:59Okay.
42:00Mine goes Shelby first,
42:02Corvette second, Porsche third.
42:05So in our signal orange sandwich on white bread,
42:09you're picking the top slice,
42:13the bottom slice,
42:14and then the meat in the middle.
42:16Right in the middle, right, right.
42:18Five years ago, this Shelby might've been $425,000.
42:22Today, it would cost $500,000 at least to get one.
42:25Okay.
42:26The Corvette five years ago,
42:27would have been about $200,000,
42:30and that today would be about $275.
42:33The Porsche five years ago would have been about $95,000,
42:37and today it'd be $160,000.
42:40Yeah, okay, I can see the technical.
42:41Yeah, yeah, okay, all right.
42:43Kick a wheeze.
42:44Ah, I'll give you that.
42:46200 grand, really?
42:47200 grand.
42:48That's what they're going for.
42:49Time to sell yours.
42:49I gotta get out more, I'm stuck in the garage.
42:52Ha, ha, ha.
42:57Now, before we go, there's just one more thing I need to do.
43:00We're at Tony Hawk's warehouse.
43:02This is half pipe where he practices,
43:04and I'm ready to give it a shot.
43:06Are you sure about that?
43:07Yeah.
43:08Well, how old do you think I am?
43:10But you like 78?
43:11No, I'm only 72.
43:13Oh, okay, you're good then.
43:15Yeah, of course.
43:16Good. Let's give it a shot.
43:17Good luck.
43:18Lean forward.
43:19I guess he's not too old.
43:34Amazing.
43:43I'm a little out of practice, but...
43:45Yeah.
43:46Yeah.
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